Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I didn't say there were any riots. I hope there won't be. If you actually read my post you'll see the following: "statehouse demonstrations"
If I had seen any riots I would have pointed them out. Sometimes I just don't understand you guys.

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You said, "Trump encourages violence and winks at those who do it in his name." So, show me where any post-election riots have occurred in the name of Trump. And show me where Trump supporters since 2020 election have engaged in shutting down highways and cancelling college exams.

We had all these concerns about post election violence, but we have had no post election violence. Why is that? You know why, but you won't admit it- to do so would go against your left wing fictional narrative.

The word obtuse comes to mind as I read some of these posts; wow, just wow.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

You know a lot about lying, don't ya, Bobbie....

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I see Cavuto had to cut off your girl Kayleigh again for lying. So I'd say you know a lot about lying, as in lying about lying. Pretty bad when Fox unfair and unbalanced pulls a trump liar. hahah

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Originally Posted by XU 87

You said, "Trump encourages violence and winks at those who do it in his name." So, show me where any post-election riots have occurred in the name of Trump. And show me where Trump supporters since 2020 election have engaged in shutting down highways and cancelling college exams.

We had all these concerns about post election violence, but we have had no post election violence. Why is that? You know why, but you won't admit it- to do so would go against your left wing fictional narrative.

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https://www.inquirer.com/news/qanon-...-20201106.html

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/det...-at-tcf-center

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/el...-20201109.html

Violence on all sides should be condemned.

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Originally Posted by XU 87

You said, "Trump encourages violence and winks at those who do it in his name." So, show me where any post-election riots have occurred in the name of Trump. And show me where Trump supporters since 2020 election have engaged in shutting down highways and cancelling college exams.

We had all these concerns about post election violence, but we have had no post election violence. Why is that? You know why, but you won't admit it- to do so would go against your left wing fictional narrative.

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'87, I really don't understand. Trump encouraging violence is very well documented.
I have not said there has been any violence. I have only said I hope we don't have any.
You note no Trump supporters shut down highways "post" election, so I see why you were so careful with that since they did before the election.

I remain hopeful we'll have no violence. If he would concede like Hillary, it would be a great service to the country and help in lowering tensions, and move on to a smooth transition.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

It seems to me that dragging out the transition is going to be damaging to our country.

In 2016, Hillary lost by:
Mich 11,000
Penn 44,000
Wiscon 23,000

I would guess that in any of those state she could have asked for a recount.
But, she conceded the day after the election, and the transition from Obama to Trump started immediately.

In 2020, Trump is currently behind:
Mich 146,000
Penn 47,000
Wiscon 20,000

They may discover a few ballots here or there that aren't correct. But it's very unlikely to change the result.
So far the lawsuits have been dismissed by the courts (except I think for one where observers were allowed to move from 10' away to 6')

I can only hope they don't drag this out much longer and really damage us by creating difficulties that don't need to happen.

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We know the transition is going to be a mess - nobody in this administration cares one iota about the United States of America. It's all a big con.

What I'm starting to get a little more concerned about is all the talk from the Trump administration about not accepting the results, along with the support that they seem to be getting from the Republican establishment. This is not a particularly close election, as you highlighted above, and thus far (despite a lot of fishing) no credible evidence of voter fraud has been presented anywhere that rises above the level of unsubstantiated allegation.

It's interesting to me - so many on the Right claim to be Patriots, but they are willing to erode the bedrock of our Democracy for this? I don't get it. They are literally attacking the very concept of free and fair elections, without any meaningful evidence. I guess it's just much easier to fly a flag than it is to actually accept that your populist nationalist President has lost an election.

Edit: The claims of large scale vote rigging also don't pass the 'what would you have to believe for this to be true' test. The Democratic party (not always the brightest bulbs) would have had to somehow pull off rigging the election without (thus far) leaving any evidence, while simultaneously not bothering to rig the Senate or the House? Why they hell would they do that?

XU87 might be interested in this (https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-...dows-vandalism). Seems these Portland nut jobs are angry with Biden’s win too. Interesting.

As for protesters shutting down highways, this happened pre-election but the stupid behavior is the same (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ew-york-bridge) (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1515257.html).

Point is, there are enough idiots to go around for all sides. Acting like this isn’t true just defies fact and reason. It’s also the reason why sound political discourse is such a rare thing these days.

You know it's funny that both sides have such selective memory. All the republican chants of an illegitimate election kind of sound familiar - this is from the Wall Street Journal:

Here’s Hillary Clinton from September 2019, nearly three years after her defeat: “He knows he’s an illegitimate president. I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories, he knows that there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

Or Jimmy Carter in June 2019. “There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf.” Asked if that meant he regarded Mr. Trump as an “illegitimate president,” Mr. Carter said yes.

In January 2017, Rep. Jerrold Nadler said he was boycotting Mr. Trump’s inauguration (along with one-third of his fellow House Democrats) because, though the president was “legally elected,” he wasn’t “legitimate.” During impeachment, another effort to reject the 2016 election, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House had no choice but to act because Mr. Trump was “trying to corrupt, once again, the election for his benefit.” Not to mention the ridiculous attempts to paint a candidate who attracted more minority votes than any Republican in recent history as a champion of white supremacy.

Mr. Biden piled on with the rest of them. In the first debate he called Mr. Trump a “racist,” building on his earlier claim that Mr. Trump was America’s first racist president. During a May 2019 campaign stop in New Hampshire, a woman came up to Mr. Biden and said Mr. Trump was “an illegitimate president in my mind.” Mr. Biden’s response? “I absolutely agree.”

I know a certain segment on here are going to gloss right over this and go on with their finger pointing at the other side, but until both sides realize they're part of the problem this crap will only escalate.

Would Any of This Be Right?

Now, for those fair-minded people who support Biden, may I ask a few questions? Do you believe

It would be wrong for election supervisors to coach workers to correct mail-in ballots for Biden, but not for Trump?

That it would also be wrong for election workers to coach voters to vote for Biden and Democrats, and follow them to the ballot station?

It would be wrong for poll workers to go out to a Biden-Harris van in the middle of the night and fill out ballots?

That it would be likewise wrong for poll workers to fill in the names of people who hadn’t yet voted when a “voter” comes in who is not on the voter rolls?
It’s wrong for poll workers to ignore matching signature requirements?

That it’s wrong for counting centers to keep Republican poll watchers from observing hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots?

It was wrong for Philadelphia Democrats to ignore a court order that demanded poll watchers have their rightful access?

That it’s wrong for a Democratic- controlled ballot-counting center Fulton County, Georgia to tell GOP observers they were done counting for the night … then resume counting the minute the observers left?

It was wrong for Nevada voting officials to fabricate proof of residence data for non-eligible voters?

That it was likewise wrong for postal supervisors in several states to order workers to pre-date late arriving ballots, so it would falsely appear they arrived on time?

It is wrong to cast ballots using the dead?

That it is wrong to count ballots from people ineligible to vote in a particular state?

It is wrong for a state supreme court to ignore state law and the U.S. constitution to change the voting rules right before an election? Rules guaranteed to make the process more susceptible to fraud?

https://stream.org/what-would-it-tak...on-was-rigged/

Would Any of This Be Suspicious?

Now, my Biden-supporting (or Trump-hating) friends, can we do a little gut check? Aren’t you a little bit queasy about …

Tens of thousands of ballots suddenly appearing from out-of-state with only the presidential race filled out … and all filled out for Joe Biden?

Hundreds of thousands of votes popping up overnight election night … after the inexplicable halt in counting … in some places, 100% for Joe Biden?

Philadelphia, a city notorious for election fraud, absolutely refusing to let Republican observers anywhere near the people handling mail-in ballots?

In several states, piles of Trump votes suddenly getting taken from him, then the same exact number suddenly popping up for Biden?

Dominion, the company behind the election system used in these states, being connected to the Clinton Foundation and George Soros?

Dozens of states accepting Dominion’s system, despite its security weaknesses being so evident that Texas rejected it three times?

The Associated Press reporting just last year that Dominion and its sister companies “had long skimped on security in favor of convenience and operated under a shroud of financial and operational secrecy despite their critical role in elections.”

Lindsay Graham’s report on evidence of a ballot harvesting operation at Pennsylvania nursing homes which could have netted Biden 25,000 votes? (Ballot harvesting is illegal in Pennsylvania.)

Biden vote totals in specific swing cities … and nowhere else … exceeding Obama’s by up to 40%?

Vote tallies for Biden in Milwaukee exceeding Obama’s 2008 landslide … despite Milwaukee having fewer people than it did in 2008? (And despite Donald Trump greatly increasing his share of the minority vote.)

Joe Biden underperforming Hillary Clinton almost everywhere … except in a couple crucial swing state cities … and only after counting in those states was halted?

Joe Biden handily losing bell-weather states Florida and Ohio, but somehow defying history and won? This despite very little campaigning, a non-existent ground game, and a campaign message that ran counter to the economic interests of the American people.


https://stream.org/what-would-it-tak...on-was-rigged/