Covid-19

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Originally Posted by chico

I agree - it's definitely not. I understand completely the desire of those who want a quick "cure" but for better or worse we need to have patience and make sure any drug or treatment has been tested.

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If I had the virus and was sinking fast, I’d definitely give hydrochloroquine a shot. I saw an interview with a rheumatologist today who says he’s been prescribing it and it’s predecessor for decades with no terrible consequences. I’ve read about some negative side effects, but desperate times....

Getting the antibody testing ramped up seems to be HUGE in my mind. I’m not playing doctor on a keyboard, I just know that from what I’ve read and heard so far, I’d want the meds. I remember those old asthma commercials.....”when you can’t breathe, nothing else matters.”

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Originally Posted by xu82

If I had the virus and was sinking fast, I’d definitely give hydrochloroquine a shot. I saw an interview with a rheumatologist today who says he’s been prescribing it and it’s predecessor for decades with no terrible consequences. I’ve read about some negative side effects, but desperate times....

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Negative side effects? Just listen to any pharmaceutical TV ad. The possible side effects from those drugs are ridiculous.


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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Pharmacies will dispense it for treatment of coronavirus in Ohio for 14 days. But they are still restricting the prescriptions as several doctors and dentists (!?) have prescribed it for their families to stockpile. As a general rule of thumb the state medical and pharmacy boards still decide what is appropriate to prescribe and what isn’t. Which is a good thing.

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Very good thing, leads to checks and balances which prevents blatant misuse for the most part.

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Originally Posted by xu82

If I had the virus and was sinking fast, I’d definitely give hydrochloroquine a shot. I saw an interview with a rheumatologist today who says he’s been prescribing it and it’s predecessor for decades with no terrible consequences. I’ve read about some negative side effects, but desperate times....

Getting the antibody testing ramped up seems to be HUGE in my mind. I’m not playing doctor on a keyboard, I just know that from what I’ve read and heard so far, I’d want the meds. I remember those old asthma commercials.....”when you can’t breathe, nothing else matters.”

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The problem is that it prolongs the QT interval, and Azithromycin which they combine it with for it's great anti-inflammatory properties also prolongs the QT interval. Now what the hell is that? So, first you gotta know about EKG's, so here's a labelled one (source: SinusRhythmLabels ), now let me break this down P = atrial depolarization (upper two chambers of your heart basically getting charged, and ready to contract), PR segment = atrial contraction (where they dump the blood into your ventricles), QRS complex = ventricular depolarization (bottom two chambers getting charged, ready to contract), ST segment = ventricular contraction (heart pumps the blood out into your body and through the lungs), T = ventricular repolarization (ventricles are in a "stunned" state, they can't contract again, and kind of reset). QT interval refers to the time it takes for everything to happen through the ventricle. Prolonging this period has to do with messing with potassium levels, and it ends up causing your heart not to beat in the proper response, this unsynchronized heart beat ends up leading to Torsades de Pointes, which looks like this: Torsades, as you can see, not a good time to have that type of heart electrical activity. I hope that all made sense.

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Originally Posted by GIMMFD

The problem is that it prolongs the QT interval, and Azithromycin which they combine it with for it's great anti-inflammatory properties also prolongs the QT interval. Now what the hell is that? So, first you gotta know about EKG's, so here's a labelled one (source: SinusRhythmLabels ), now let me break this down P = atrial depolarization (upper two chambers of your heart basically getting charged, and ready to contract), PR segment = atrial contraction (where they dump the blood into your ventricles), QRS complex = ventricular depolarization (bottom two chambers getting charged, ready to contract), ST segment = ventricular contraction (heart pumps the blood out into your body and through the lungs), T = ventricular repolarization (ventricles are in a "stunned" state, they can't contract again, and kind of reset). QT interval refers to the time it takes for everything to happen through the ventricle. Prolonging this period has to do with messing with potassium levels, and it ends up causing your heart not to beat in the proper response, this unsynchronized heart beat ends up leading to Torsades de Pointes, which looks like this: Torsades, as you can see, not a good time to have that type of heart electrical activity. I hope that all made sense.

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Of course NONE of that made sense to me. I’m not a doctor. BUT, I have seen interviews with at least a half dozen doctors who took it themselves and prescribed it for family members when they tested positive. None have reported negative outcomes. I have read elsewhere of racing heart rates, etc, but even those people turned out fine. I’m sure in some cases it does not.

My point is, if I’m looking at a serious illness that could kill me, I’m not waiting for a 12 month clinical study to confirm it’s safe if I’ll be dead in a days.

Amy Acton on March 31- per “Models”. “
“The research has a prediction of 10,000 news cases a day in Ohio, by late April.”
Actual new Ohio Cases today - 332.
Also March 31- “The peak of case projection has moved from May to mid to late April”
Total Ohio Hospitalizations for the period 3/15- current: 1,354. Welp. Testing or no, the hospitals aren’t “flooded”.
Somethin’ ain’t adding up.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Amy Acton on March 31- per “Models”. “
“The research has a prediction of 10,000 news cases a day in Ohio, by late April.”
Actual new Ohio Cases today - 332.
Also March 31- “The peak of case projection has moved from May to mid to late April”
Total Ohio Hospitalizations for the period 3/15- current: 1,354. Welp. Testing or no, the hospitals aren’t “flooded”.
Somethin’ ain’t adding up.

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You would dare question the supreme leader Dr. Amy Acton?

It's almost like the lockdown is working...

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Originally Posted by smileyy

It's almost like the lockdown is working...

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But the only thing really locked down is a lot of business. People are still out shopping and taking vacations and the government is pretty much footing the bill. It’s not like everyone is actually locking themselves in their houses. Of course people are going to say it’s working but there isn’t any proof that people are really not out moving around. At least I see a ton of people out and about everyday. My business is still open and we have a lot of customers. No one who works for me has gotten sick either, at least that we are aware of. If anything good comes out of this, is maybe people will continue to be clean and wash their hands like they should be doing, and if you are sick, stay home.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

But the only thing really locked down is a lot of business. People are still out shopping and taking vacations and the government is pretty much footing the bill. It’s not like everyone is actually locking themselves in their houses. Of course people are going to say it’s working but there isn’t any proof that people are really not out moving around. At least I see a ton of people out and about everyday. My business is still open and we have a lot of customers. No one who works for me has gotten sick either, at least that we are aware of. If anything good comes out of this, is maybe people will continue to be clean and wash their hands like they should be doing, and if you are sick, stay home.

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If you are familiar with Atlanta, where we live, all you have to do is drive to the grocery store and you will realize an amazing difference. If traffic was always like this, I wouldn’t hate Atlanta so much! The difference is ENORMOUS!

I don’t pretend to know the perfect way to balance health and the economy. People are going to die from this virus. People will also suffer if we fall into a depression. This sucks.....