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10-12-2020, 08:30 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

It is important to remember that there is more than one path to confirming it is okay to return to work/society after a confirmed Covid diagnosis. One is that the patient must be at least 10 days removed from the initial onset of symptoms/diagnosis AND symptom free for at least 72 hours.

However, it is also acceptable to return to work:society if a patient is completely symptom free for 72 hours AND has 2 concurrent negative tests for Covid.

The healthcare systems I manage offer and accept both pathways for our staff , patients, and providers.

It appears that President Trump successfully met the second option from what I can tell.

Thank you once again for some clarity!
10-12-2020, 08:34 PM
GoMuskies

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Originally Posted by xu82

What about the people who are hospitalized for months? Are they not contagious after 10 days? Serious question, not snarky. They are not allowed to have family visit. We know a lot more than we used to, but I’m afraid we still have a long way to go. I don’t pretend to have answers.

Thankfully we have Doc Crawford to answer, and you don't have to rely on a lawyer for such things!
10-12-2020, 09:06 PM
paulxu

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Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

The healthcare systems I manage offer and accept both pathways for our staff , patients, and providers.

I'm curious, if you could, to comment on the CDC recommendation of 14 days of quarantining? And what you might think of the mass rallies with no social distancing and little evidence of masks?

Thanks if you get the chance to respond.
10-12-2020, 10:18 PM
bobbiemcgee

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Originally Posted by Xville

You had covid even though you tested negative? That's interesting and probably bullshit knowing the junk you spew here on a daily basis.

When I went home from the hospital asshole.

And I suppose you think your opinions should be taken as gospel?
10-12-2020, 10:23 PM
bobbiemcgee

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

I bet your lying about that we well... I mean, you haven't said one thing on this board that is true in years.

How many times did you take Logic @ X? did you ever graduate? Doubt it.

Anybody that thinks it's a great idea to get in a plane and fly down to a superspreader event where there are no masks except behind the idiot for camera reasons and no social distancing is a fool. But then, ask Herman Cain. Ohhhh...he's dead.
10-12-2020, 10:26 PM
waggy

You know, they really need to come up with a better name than "superspreader".

Don't google that.
10-12-2020, 10:59 PM
kmcrawfo

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I'm curious, if you could, to comment on the CDC recommendation of 14 days of quarantining? And what you might think of the mass rallies with no social distancing and little evidence of masks?

Thanks if you get the chance to respond.

We try to follow CDC and state department of health guidelines at all my facilities. I’ve never seen nor am I aware of any suggestion from the CDC that recommends 14 days. To make sure I was not mistaken I just visited the CDC website to review the current recommendations which I’m going to paste below. . I will say the current recommendation of being symptom free for only 24 hours by the CDC is inadequate in my and other Medical provider’s opinion. The current recommendation by my state’s department of health and other infectious disease experts of 72 hours makes me feel much more confident before I allow a patient provider or staff member to return to work.

I hope this is helpful:

Find CDC’s recommendations below:

I think or know I had COVID-19, and I had symptoms
You can be with others after

At least 10 days since symptoms first appeared and
At least 24 hours with no fever without fever-reducing medication and
Other symptoms of COVID-19 are improving**Loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and need not delay the end of isolation
If you had severe illness from COVID-19 (you were admitted to a hospital and needed oxygen), your healthcare provider may recommend that you stay in isolation for longer than 10 days after your symptoms first appeared (possibly up to 20 days) and you may need to finish your period of isolation at home. If testing is available in your community, your healthcare provider may recommend that you undergo repeat testing for COVID-19 to end your isolation earlier than would be done according to the criteria above. If so, you can be around others after you receive two negative tests results in a row, from tests done at least 24 hours apart.

I tested positive for COVID-19 but had no symptoms
If you continue to have no symptoms, you can be with others after:

10 days have passed since the date you had your positive test
If testing is available in your community, your healthcare provider may recommend that you undergo repeat testing for COVID-19 to end your isolation earlier than would be done according to the criteria above. If so, you can be around others after you receive two negative test results in a row, from tests done at least 24 hours apart.

If you develop symptoms after testing positive, follow the guidance above for “I think or know I had COVID, and I had symptoms.”

I had COVID-19 or I tested positive for COVID-19 and I have a weakened immune system
If you have a weakened immune system (immunocompromised) due to a health condition or medication, you might need to stay home and isolate longer than 10 days. Talk to your healthcare provider for more information.

If testing is available in your community, your healthcare provider may recommend you undergo repeat testing for COVID-19. If your healthcare provider recommends testing, you can be with others after you receive two negative test results in a row, at least 24 hours apart.
10-12-2020, 11:09 PM
kmcrawfo

I’ve thought about this a little bit more and I realize that there is a recommendation of quarantining for up to 14 days after you’ve had a known exposure to Covid. That is because the incubation period may be up to 14 days. However, once you have actually been confirmed to have Covid it starts an entirely different timetable before you can return to work. I bet this is where the current 14 day quarantine number is coming from. I can see where expoExposure quarantining versus active disease quarantining could become confusing

So, in summary, if you have a known exposure and have not yet tested positive you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days. However, if you have tested positive then you can return after 10 days from the time of the initial symptom/ positive test plus being symptom-free for 72 hours. Also, you can return after being symptom-free for 72 hours in combination with two consecutive negative tests.
10-12-2020, 11:37 PM
Lloyd Braun

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

I’ve thought about this a little bit more and I realize that there is a recommendation of quarantining for up to 14 days after you’ve had a known exposure to Covid. That is because the incubation period may be up to 14 days. However, once you have actually been confirmed to have Covid it starts an entirely different timetable before you can return to work. I bet this is where the current 14 day quarantine number is coming from. I can see where expoExposure quarantining versus active disease quarantining could become confusing

So, in summary, if you have a known exposure and have not yet tested positive you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days. However, if you have tested positive then you can return after 10 days from the time of the initial symptom/ positive test plus being symptom-free for 72 hours. Also, you can return after being symptom-free for 72 hours in combination with two consecutive negative tests.

This is something that on the surface seems confusing but makes sense due to incubation period. A very common scenario: person A is symptomatic and tests positive for COVID, recovers in 7 days, is symptom-free for 3 days and goes back to work on day 11. Everyone else in the house (spouse, roommate, etc) must also quarantine and they can’t go back to work until 14 days of quarantine. So the sick person goes back to work first, which is a crazy thought but makes sense. The 14 days also starts from the day of last contact. So if your spouse gets COVID, the quarantine starts from the day of last contact, not day 1 of the spouse’s infection.
10-13-2020, 06:09 AM
paulxu

Thanks very much for the 2 responses above. That clarifies it a lot for me.
It makes sense that when you finally test positive (as I understand what you said) that you probably got the virus up to 4 days before that.
Add those days to the 10 from date of test and you get 14. And others have to start from the day you tested positive to count their 14.

Edit: I found this on the CDC website in regard to Social Distancing to return to my other question about rallies:

Quote:

Keep Distance at Events and Gatherings: It is safest to avoid crowded places and gatherings where it may be difficult to stay at least 6 feet away from others who are not from your household. If you are in a crowded space, try to keep 6 feet of space between yourself and others at all times, and wear a mask. Masks are especially important in times when physical distancing is difficult.