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His doctor said they’re “72 hours into the diagnosis” which is Wednesday. Perhaps he misspoke or accidentally added 24 hours
Didnt the same doctor later say he meant it was day 3 meaning Thursday, Friday, Saturday?
No. The WH issued a statement later saying he was confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Plenty of confusion to go around.......
The problem is if he knew before going to the fundraiser on Thursday (which seems likely) then some people paid $250,000 just for the opportunity to have him infect them.
Why doesn't he just take whatever test DeWine and the Saints FB took second so he can test negative.
We actually have someone (actually two if you include Paul) on this board that whine more than LeBron James.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
FYI, masks don't work, just ask Fauci: https://twitter.com/MaybeAmes/status...volver.news%2F
This is consistent with the research....
As they learned more, their positions changed. Always a good thing when faced with the unknown.
You might try it.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/ou...ut-of-context/
Nice try.....from that Democrat website. Here are the actual studies:Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
https://swprs.org/who-mask-study-seriously-flawed/
Since you quoted Fauci as an expert on masks, perhaps you should learn a little:
For God's sake, wear the mask and do it for other people, not your selfish self. It's most effective in preventing spread. Just look at the countries where everyone wears one and their death rates.Quote:
During the "Start Here" interview, Fauci said scientists quickly changed their recommendation after realizing the extent to which asymptomatic spread was contributing to COVID-19 infections.
"At that point, which is now months and months ago, I have been on the airways, on the radio, on TV, begging people to wear masks. And I keep talking in the context of wear a mask, keep physical distance, avoid crowds, wash your hands and do things more outdoors versus indoors," Fauci said.
I'm not a sheeple like all you Democrats.... Read the science for crying out loud!Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
If you are right, you have been mildly inconvenienced. If you are wrong your disinformation campaign is contributing to the spread of a disease that has killed over 200,000 people and permanently harmed countless others.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
I am going to side with the public health experts, and not someone using the term sheeple unironically.
I've already had it - it's not a big deal - it's the freaking flu! According to the CDC, 94% of all Covid deaths have at least one co-morbidity. Prior to this year, how many deaths with the flu and co-morbidities were marked as deaths from the flu? Did hospitals receive $28K from Medicare to boost the numbers up?Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Additionally, if idiots like Cuomo and other Democrat governors didn't put Covid patients in nursing homes the overall numbers would be much lower.
Sorry, all you healthy Dems need to come out of your basements and quit letting the MSM scare the hell out of you all the time...
If masks work, explain these charts: https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/
Explain Sweden....
So was he lying in the video clip, or lying in the interview? Or did the scientific evidence somehow change in that time period? Was that interview before or after he was famously photographed sitting in the stands next to two other people without a mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Things that make you go hmmm....
You’re a moron....
Deep...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowDownDBrown
Everyone is a moron to someone I guess.
That page won't load, so I'll point out this. 24 million people. 7 deaths. They wear masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
We have 13.4 times their population. Maybe we'd have had 93 deaths if we wore masks...not 214,000.
Maybe Sweden would have had 4, instead of 5,900.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/taiwan/
Or maybe, has as already been pointed out in this thread, the actual deaths reported as Covid in the US isn't accurate.
Excess deaths over a normal year since March are 200,000. Perhaps it's aliens causing the spike.
Even IF true doesn't mean we should all wear masks, nor shut down. All persons die.
Live your life the way you want. Holed up with your makers.
You were not missing much. All the contributors to that source were identified by their twitter handles. Further the twitter feed associated with the page made it clear they were not taking an unbiased look at the data.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Wags, I got my Makers and am well into it. Will wear mask to protect others. Can only hope they feel the same. Cheers !Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
The contributors to Rational Ground present factual information and detailed statistical analysis to refute the lies and sensationalism of the MSM. Just because it doesn’t fit your preferred narrative does not make it biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
That there is a real disease killing people is beyond question. That the disease is a pandemic that requires lockdowns and social distancing is not beyond question. Here are a few important questions to ask about the excess death figure:Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
1. What calculation is used to determine the excess deaths? From what I have read it is comparing 2020 data to an average of the last five years. But are you aware that the number of deaths usually increases in the US from 25k to as many as 86k per year? Over the last five years (2013-2018, I could not find 2019 data), the average increase in the number of deaths in the US is 48,422. If we assume this average increase would have occurred in 2020 with or without CV19, we can take 48k from the number above, which brings the excess death number down to 152k.
Link to US death toll figures: https://247wallst.com/special-report...u-were-born-2/
2. What if the increase in deaths this year would have been on the high end, what if the US death toll would have increased by 86k, as it did between 2014 and 2015? An excess death number of 112k is significant, but not quite as significant as 200k. The question to answer is whether or not there is a way to determine what the 2020 death toll would have been without CV19? I am not sure we can possibly get at that number but some ideas as to how to get there might include looking at the increase in population - more people equals more deaths. We could also look at indicators such as the severity of the flu season going into 2020 (I recall reading it was particularly severe prior to the focus shifting to CV19). We could also consider population age, overall health, overall poverty, and whatever else is known to contribute to mortality rates.
3. How many of the excess deaths have been caused not by people being infected by the disease but by the collateral damage of the disease - postponed medical procedures, lack of access to medical care, increased poverty, increased suicides, increased homelessness, etc. These deaths should be subtracted from the excess death rate in regards to counting as CV19 infection deaths. We need to look at the increase in deaths due to heart attacks, organ failures, etc, things that may have been preventable had medical care been available. These numbers may be hard to come by because many of these deaths are being reported as CV19 deaths.
4. How many deaths were avoided due to the conditions that came about due to the lockdowns? For example, it has been stated that there have been substantially fewer road/traffic related deaths because there were fewer people on the roads. These deaths that did not occur could be added back into the total count.
The point I hope to make clear is that you cannot simply take the raw number of excess deaths and assume they are all attributable to death by CV19 infection.
Principal
Excellent questions - these are the things people need to be asking about all the numbers without context that get thrown around. The Ethical Skeptic (twitter and web page) had done extensive statistical analysis and has significant conclusions to the questions you present above. As usual, the answers lie in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by principal
Principal, thanks for the well thought response.
I think you make good points about trying to get a handle on the deaths.
There are some stats that may go the other way (for example there may be lower traffic deaths in the last 6 months) but there is uncertainty in trying to get a definitive answer for sure
Overall I think we could have done a better job as some countries have demonstrated.
A coordinated national response with guidelines would have served us better (I think) than having individual states do their own.
Hopefully all this will pass with a minimum of further casualties.
Certainly true to some extent, although I also don't think it would have made any sense to have New York City and Escalante, UT (population 797 where my family went to escape the pandemic in April) playing by the same rules. Even now here in Wichita I'm thrilled that we're not subject to the same rules/restrictions as people in the Northeast.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
I do get that. But national responses (and most countries also have sparsely populated areas) get everyone thinking and working together to solve a common problem. Shared burden and all that.
Also, what's happening in Escalante, UT that makes it a go to place? Sounds like a good place for a basketball bubble.
Grand Staircase Escalante. It's unbelievably beautiful. Great place to be when you're trying to avoid contact with people.
I'm a bit confused by some recent stories.
I've got a medical test on Wed. and had to answer a questionnaire regarding any exposure to an infected person. If I had in the last 14 days, I'd have to re-schedule.
The accepted protocol (I think) is that if you have been with an infected person, you should isolate for some time...like Barr is doing.
So why would McEnany, who traveled and was close to Trump, not isolate? Instead she held press briefings unmasked, potentially infecting others.
Or the Secret Service personnel who rode in the vehicle with Trump. Will they now isolate for a time?
I just don't think this administration is setting good examples, and people are paying for that hubris.
She is isolating: "With my recent positive test, I will begin the quarantine process and will continue working on behalf of the American People remotely.”Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Why do you think she’s not?
I think the question is why didn't she quarantine before she got her positive test just based on her close contacts with people who had tested positive.
Thanks for clarifying it for him. You're exactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
This doesn't seem very responsible. A pastor at the event has now tested positive.
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Apparently the White House does not want to know the extent of potential COVID-19 spread during a ceremony for Trump’s SCOTUS pick Amy Coney Barrett at the Rose Garden last weekend.
According to a New York Times report published minutes before Trump is set to depart Walter Reed, the White House completely cut CDC out of any contact tracing of guests and staff members who attended the Rose Garden event for Barrett.
A White House official familiar with the plans told the Times that at least eight people, which include the President, may have contracted COVID-19 from the event.
Because she tested negative multiple times and multiple days before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
There are numerous people who've tested positive without even getting tested. Seriously, a guy got tired of waiting in the long line, so went home. Couple days later he gets a notice in the mail he tested positive. Bunch of nonsense.
Yes, I see that was all over social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
I’ve never seen a case that was actually documented to be true.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
Yeah I don't know. It was 2nd hand info 3 different times. I work retail, so interact with a lot of people. I've also know people who got it and nearly died. Talked to people who've lost loved ones. The stories run the gamet. One death the family blames the hospital care. Guy was intubated so many times, ended up with sepsis. Family could not visit. Totally shut out.