Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

trump pushing "herd mentality" now. Of course he keeps saying it and it's "herd immunity". And they think Biden has trouble. So if 70% of the population gets it, it's over. With a 3% death rate, that would be 6 million dead. 1% 2 miilion dead. Good strategy. What a moron. That's what happens when you appoint a x-ray guy to head your science. 40% of the country will look at this and "yeah, I'm with the dumbass".

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Well here's what happens when you act like you know what your talking about without ever bothering to learn about epidemiology, virology, or follow data on COVID-19. Go pick your willow switch, and you better put on an extra pair of underwear or two, because this one is going to hurt.

You were parroting a tweet by Kyle Feldscher, another CNN bringing journalism to a new low. His tweet was pretty much verbatim with what you said above, but you rounded up. He has since removed his tweet and replaced it with an apology.

I'd say that was big of him, but in reality, he knew he was going to lose civil suits. But the damage was done after 20K+ retweets. Case in point, you. So since you're too lazy to actually learn about a topic, I'll explain a few things:
- The fake news tweet uses case fatality rate (CFR) to calculate deaths, in his fictitious scenario. The actual mortality rate needs to account for the portion of the population infected, but not confirmed with a test, which is the infection mortality rate (IFR). The IFR for COVID-19 is being refined, but conservatively at 0.3%. Some estimates as low as under 0.1.
- Herd immunity of CV-19 is not 70% antibody seroprevalence (metric used in the fake CNN tweet). This is because of the immune system memory t-cell response, in combination with antibodies, drives the herd immunity. Studies are showing that the natural herd immunity is between 15% and 25%. Oh, and for some practical evidence, look at trends in geographies around the world. Get in the 20% seroprevalence range, and the disease peters out.

So, Bobbie, this is going to hurt me as much as it hurts you.
<<WHACK>> That's one for failure to do your homework.
<<WHACK>> That's two for parroting CNN. I expect better of an X guy.
<<WHACK>> That's three for believing CNN in the first place.
<<WHACK>> That's four for the condescending comments, with a little extra because they were wrong.

No go to your room and spend the next hour reading about facts from medical and scientific studies. I'll keep the switch right here, in case there's more of this kind of behavior.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Studies are showing that the natural herd immunity is between 15% and 25%.

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I can find hard studies of a 43% level, but not yet the levels you note, other than mention without linking.
And at the 43% level they note:

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Some researchers even suggested the figure may be in the range of 10 to 20 percent, but they were in the minority.

Assuming the virus ferrets out the most outgoing and most susceptible in the first wave, immunity following a wave of infection is distributed more efficiently than with a vaccination campaign that seeks to protect everyone, said Tom Britton, a mathematician at Stockholm University.

His model puts the threshold for herd immunity at 43 percent — that is, the virus cannot hang on in a community after that percentage of residents has been infected and recovered.

Still, that means many residents of the community will have been sickened or have died, a high price to pay for herd immunity.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/h...-immunity.html

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Well here's what happens when you act like you know what your talking about without ever bothering to learn about epidemiology, virology, or follow data on COVID-19. Go pick your willow switch, and you better put on an extra pair of underwear or two, because this one is going to hurt.

You were parroting a tweet by Kyle Feldscher, another CNN bringing journalism to a new low. His tweet was pretty much verbatim with what you said above, but you rounded up. He has since removed his tweet and replaced it with an apology.

I'd say that was big of him, but in reality, he knew he was going to lose civil suits. But the damage was done after 20K+ retweets. Case in point, you. So since you're too lazy to actually learn about a topic, I'll explain a few things:
- The fake news tweet uses case fatality rate (CFR) to calculate deaths, in his fictitious scenario. The actual mortality rate needs to account for the portion of the population infected, but not confirmed with a test, which is the infection mortality rate (IFR). The IFR for COVID-19 is being refined, but conservatively at 0.3%. Some estimates as low as under 0.1.
- Herd immunity of CV-19 is not 70% antibody seroprevalence (metric used in the fake CNN tweet). This is because of the immune system memory t-cell response, in combination with antibodies, drives the herd immunity. Studies are showing that the natural herd immunity is between 15% and 25%. Oh, and for some practical evidence, look at trends in geographies around the world. Get in the 20% seroprevalence range, and the disease peters out.

So, Bobbie, this is going to hurt me as much as it hurts you.
<<WHACK>> That's one for failure to do your homework.
<<WHACK>> That's two for parroting CNN. I expect better of an X guy.
<<WHACK>> That's three for believing CNN in the first place.
<<WHACK>> That's four for the condescending comments, with a little extra because they were wrong.

No go to your room and spend the next hour reading about facts from medical and scientific studies. I'll keep the switch right here, in case there's more of this kind of behavior.

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So you're with the bozo. Good luck as we approach 200,000 dead. maybe you can get on "Fox and frauds"

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

So you're with the bozo. Good luck as we approach 200,000 dead. maybe you can get on "Fox and frauds"

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Nothing like getting called out, showing your liberal bias (oh wait you're center..right lol) and then moving those goal posts.

Here's a clip of former Secretary of State John Kerry in 2016 talking about peace in the Middle East...hahahaha.

https://twitter.com/neontaster/statu...77971863871489

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Originally Posted by X Factor

Here's a clip of former Secretary of State John Kerry in 2016 talking about peace in the Middle East...hahahaha.

https://twitter.com/neontaster/statu...77971863871489

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No, No, No, AND NO

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

With his Middle East peace deals and pulling troops out of places and bringing them back home, Trump has done more to advance peace in 3 weeks than Obummer did in 8 years, but nothing like getting an "anticipatory" prize.

By the way. I had an interesting converastion with a very liberal friend of mine over the weekend. (Yes you can still be friends and disagree politically).
She is the same age as I and she was a very active demonstrator during the Vietnam War era- for world peace. She was actually arrested at demonstrations for peace in Chicago. She is a Democrat all the way and a real Peacenik.
I asked her. What if there was a President that A) Never started a war during his administration, B) Was intent on pulling US troops out from overseas and back home, C) Made overtures to make peace with our enemies without pandering or losing our strong positions, D) Brokered Peace deals in the Middle East that were unprecedented and helped secure Israel's future while keeping the dignity of Muslim Countries, E) Brokered a peace deal between Serbia and Kosovo, F) Was not afraid to stand up to warlord Generals in the Pentagon, and G)was working hard to get the US out of the Afghanistan mess? Would you demonstrate against that President and maybe actually be FOR him?

She knew what I was talking about and had NO answer....

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

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Interesting that none of our Liberal friends on here, that are allegedly all about world peace, have not commented on the above. Could they, in reality, be war mongers?

The silence is as deafening as the non-answer from my friend....

"At one coronavirus task force meeting, top aide Troye claimed that Trump suggested "maybe this Covid thing is a good thing."
20k more to die by 10/10.
trump could have saved thousands of lives.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

The silence is as deafening as the non-answer from my friend....

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Globally, he hits a new low.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...virus-response

Although normalizing relations between Israel, Bahrain and the UAE is a good thing...it is far from "peace" in the Middle East.
Neither country was at war with Israel, but recognizing the Israeli statehood is good.

To address the peace needed in the region, the Palestinians need to be in the process, as Israel continues to illegally annex their land, and no progress is occurring on a two state solution.