Covid-19

Here's a story on how dangerous and strange the covid virus is, published today in that left wing rag, the Wall Street Journal.

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/really-...=hp_lead_pos11

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Originally Posted by paulxu

It seems that the health care system in Canada has measured the death from Covid at 22 per 100,000, vs a normal flu season at 13.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/covid...bunk-1.5615872

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Your source is from June 19th and compares COVID to a "normal" flu season. The graphic I posted is through August 5, and updates the mortality rate which continues to drop. It also compares to a "bad" flu season of 2018, as COVID is comparable to a bad flu season.

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Originally Posted by X-man

Here's a story on how dangerous and strange the covid virus is, published today in that left wing rag, the Wall Street Journal.

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/really-...=hp_lead_pos11

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I don't subscribe to WSJ anymore, but the first few paragraphs I can read sounds like any other virus. What did it say?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Your source is from June 19th and compares COVID to a "normal" flu season. The graphic I posted is through August 5, and updates the mortality rate which continues to drop. It also compares to a "bad" flu season of 2018, as COVID is comparable to a bad flu season.

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OK I had trouble reading the graph.
But, I'm curious. If COVID is comparable to a "bad" flu season in Canada, does it mean:

1 - They have therefore twice the deaths this year as a bad flu season (flu + COVID)

2 - Are they doing a much better job than we are, at controlling the new virus. We seem to be at the very least at 3X the deaths of a normal flu season (30-60,00) in addition of course to the flu deaths...I assume. I'm sure there's a lot of merging going on.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I don't subscribe to WSJ anymore, but the first few paragraphs I can read sounds like any other virus. What did it say?

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Here are the first few paragraphs. Which part makes it "sound like any other virus"?

"The new coronavirus is a killer with a crowbar, breaking and entering human cells with impunity. It hitchhikes across continents carried on coughs and careless hands, driven by its own urgent necessity to survive.

It has a gregarious side that makes it hard to resist. It loves a party. The persistent social climber claims its victims around the world by riding on moments of the most innocent of human interactions—a shared laugh, a conversation, an embrace. And it is a liar. SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, often misleads the body’s immune systems.

Taken on its own terms, SARS-CoV-2 is the infectious disease success of the past 100 years.

Almost unmatched in the annals of emerging human contagions, it has parlayed a few chance infections into a pandemic of around 27 million confirmed cases so far.

Doctors long expected the advent of such a virus, but even so, the shrewdness of the coronavirus caught many by surprise, and goes a long way to explaining how the world has struggled to contain it ever since.

“We underestimated it,” said Peter Piot, the head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a co-discoverer of Ebola, who fell victim to the coronavirus himself in March."

And here are the last few paragraphs. You decide.

"Researchers at the Francis Crick Institute in London used a technique called cryo-electron microscopy to compare this structure to the spike protein of a bat coronavirus most like that of SARS-CoV-2. They saw subtle differences in the spike of SARS-CoV-2 that make it able to bind about 1,000 times more tightly to a human cell than the bat virus, the scientists said.


How SARS-CoV-2 Multiplies: The virus uses its spike protein to attach to a receptor called the ACE-2 in a human cell and pries its way inside. The virus then injects its RNA into the human cell’s nucleus and takes over. The viral RNA uses the host cell to replicate itself. New virus cells are released, sometimes destroying the host cell in the process. (Source: Genome.gov)
Once inside a human cell, the new coronavirus has a rare ability to silence alarms that would normally alert the immune system to mobilize antibodies and virus-killing cells, according to microbiologists at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York. To do so, it makes special proteins that interfere with the cell’s surveillance system, scientists at the University of Minnesota reported in May.

Bewildering complications
Doctors who first encountered it diagnosed it as a respiratory virus. They looked for symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath. But Covid-19 triggered bewildering complications.

People complained of nausea or diarrhea. Some had arrhythmias or even heart attacks. Some suffered kidney damage or liver failure. Some lost their sense of smell or taste. Other patients turned up at clinics with blood clots or swollen purple bumps on their toes.

In most countries where the virus triggered outbreaks, it sent people to the hospital with delirium, blackouts, brain inflammation or strokes, researchers at the U.K.’s Liverpool University reported in The Lancet Neurology in July.

In a separate review, researchers at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons found that up to a third of those infected had neurological symptoms.


By coming into contact with this virus, “you wouldn’t know what kind of effect a meeting with it would have: Maybe you will be unscathed, but maybe you would die,” said the University of Oxford’s Sarah Gilbert, whose team is developing a vaccine against the virus that is in late-stage human trials."

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Originally Posted by X-man

Here are the first few paragraphs. Which part makes it "sound like any other virus"?

"The new coronavirus is a killer with a crowbar, breaking and entering human cells with impunity. It hitchhikes across continents carried on coughs and careless hands, driven by its own urgent necessity to survive.

It has a gregarious side that makes it hard to resist. It loves a party. The persistent social climber claims its victims around the world by riding on moments of the most innocent of human interactions—a shared laugh, a conversation, an embrace. And it is a liar. SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, often misleads the body’s immune systems.

Taken on its own terms, SARS-CoV-2 is the infectious disease success of the past 100 years.

Almost unmatched in the annals of emerging human contagions, it has parlayed a few chance infections into a pandemic of around 27 million confirmed cases so far.

Doctors long expected the advent of such a virus, but even so, the shrewdness of the coronavirus caught many by surprise, and goes a long way to explaining how the world has struggled to contain it ever since.

“We underestimated it,” said Peter Piot, the head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a co-discoverer of Ebola, who fell victim to the coronavirus himself in March."

And here are the last few paragraphs. You decide.

"Researchers at the Francis Crick Institute in London used a technique called cryo-electron microscopy to compare this structure to the spike protein of a bat coronavirus most like that of SARS-CoV-2. They saw subtle differences in the spike of SARS-CoV-2 that make it able to bind about 1,000 times more tightly to a human cell than the bat virus, the scientists said.


How SARS-CoV-2 Multiplies: The virus uses its spike protein to attach to a receptor called the ACE-2 in a human cell and pries its way inside. The virus then injects its RNA into the human cell’s nucleus and takes over. The viral RNA uses the host cell to replicate itself. New virus cells are released, sometimes destroying the host cell in the process. (Source: Genome.gov)
Once inside a human cell, the new coronavirus has a rare ability to silence alarms that would normally alert the immune system to mobilize antibodies and virus-killing cells, according to microbiologists at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York. To do so, it makes special proteins that interfere with the cell’s surveillance system, scientists at the University of Minnesota reported in May.

Bewildering complications
Doctors who first encountered it diagnosed it as a respiratory virus. They looked for symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath. But Covid-19 triggered bewildering complications.

People complained of nausea or diarrhea. Some had arrhythmias or even heart attacks. Some suffered kidney damage or liver failure. Some lost their sense of smell or taste. Other patients turned up at clinics with blood clots or swollen purple bumps on their toes.

In most countries where the virus triggered outbreaks, it sent people to the hospital with delirium, blackouts, brain inflammation or strokes, researchers at the U.K.’s Liverpool University reported in The Lancet Neurology in July.

In a separate review, researchers at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons found that up to a third of those infected had neurological symptoms.


By coming into contact with this virus, “you wouldn’t know what kind of effect a meeting with it would have: Maybe you will be unscathed, but maybe you would die,” said the University of Oxford’s Sarah Gilbert, whose team is developing a vaccine against the virus that is in late-stage human trials."

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Reads like a whole bunch of fear porn to me. Yeah it is contagious, we already know that. It kills old and unhealthy people, just like every virus.

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Originally Posted by X-man

Here are the first few paragraphs. Which part makes it "sound like any other virus"?

"The new coronavirus is a killer with a crowbar, breaking and entering human cells with impunity. It hitchhikes across continents carried on coughs and careless hands, driven by its own urgent necessity to survive.

It has a gregarious side that makes it hard to resist. It loves a party. The persistent social climber claims its victims around the world by riding on moments of the most innocent of human interactions—a shared laugh, a conversation, an embrace. And it is a liar. SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, often misleads the body’s immune systems.

Taken on its own terms, SARS-CoV-2 is the infectious disease success of the past 100 years.

Almost unmatched in the annals of emerging human contagions, it has parlayed a few chance infections into a pandemic of around 27 million confirmed cases so far.

Doctors long expected the advent of such a virus, but even so, the shrewdness of the coronavirus caught many by surprise, and goes a long way to explaining how the world has struggled to contain it ever since.

“We underestimated it,” said Peter Piot, the head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a co-discoverer of Ebola, who fell victim to the coronavirus himself in March."

And here are the last few paragraphs. You decide.

"Researchers at the Francis Crick Institute in London used a technique called cryo-electron microscopy to compare this structure to the spike protein of a bat coronavirus most like that of SARS-CoV-2. They saw subtle differences in the spike of SARS-CoV-2 that make it able to bind about 1,000 times more tightly to a human cell than the bat virus, the scientists said.


How SARS-CoV-2 Multiplies: The virus uses its spike protein to attach to a receptor called the ACE-2 in a human cell and pries its way inside. The virus then injects its RNA into the human cellÂ’s nucleus and takes over. The viral RNA uses the host cell to replicate itself. New virus cells are released, sometimes destroying the host cell in the process. (Source: Genome.gov)
Once inside a human cell, the new coronavirus has a rare ability to silence alarms that would normally alert the immune system to mobilize antibodies and virus-killing cells, according to microbiologists at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York. To do so, it makes special proteins that interfere with the cellÂ’s surveillance system, scientists at the University of Minnesota reported in May.

Bewildering complications
Doctors who first encountered it diagnosed it as a respiratory virus. They looked for symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath. But Covid-19 triggered bewildering complications.

People complained of nausea or diarrhea. Some had arrhythmias or even heart attacks. Some suffered kidney damage or liver failure. Some lost their sense of smell or taste. Other patients turned up at clinics with blood clots or swollen purple bumps on their toes.

In most countries where the virus triggered outbreaks, it sent people to the hospital with delirium, blackouts, brain inflammation or strokes, researchers at the U.K.Â’s Liverpool University reported in The Lancet Neurology in July.

In a separate review, researchers at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons found that up to a third of those infected had neurological symptoms.


By coming into contact with this virus, “you wouldn’t know what kind of effect a meeting with it would have: Maybe you will be unscathed, but maybe you would die,” said the University of Oxford’s Sarah Gilbert, whose team is developing a vaccine against the virus that is in late-stage human trials."

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I will say this. My son had COVID. He is in unbelievable shape, college athlete with about 6% body fat. Was in the best shape of his life before getting some GI issues, eyes hurt, And fatigue so his coaches told him to get tested. He was positive and quarantined for two weeks. Never had a fever but lost his sense of smell.

The aftermath then became a nightmare. He called us the weekend he was finishing up quarantine and he just wasnÂ’t himself. WasnÂ’t making sense and just nothing I had ever seen before. He resemble a head injury and started to sound delusional. He went to practice that Monday and the coaches called us after and said something isnÂ’t right and that his motor skills were off. We took him to Vanderbilt and they admitted him. He spent 8 days at Vandy and then we brought him home. A friend of ours is a athletic trainer in Cincy and he told us about the heart issues and possible embolisms from COVID so he said to send him to UC his I get a full work up, which we did. Brain scans, all blood work, and MRI, EKG and and ECG. His heart turned out OK but his lungs had some fluid. Also had a little inflammation in the brain. They were worried about possible blood clots because his d dimer was much higher than normal. In addition his blood pressure and heart rate was sky high during this time, which was abnormal. After all of that the doctors continued to look him over for another week and he progressed to the point of letting him go back to school. They called it post COVID syndrome that had an adverse affect on his neurological system. Once back at school The team made sure to also run a bunch more tests on his blood, heart and lungs and everything seemed back to normal last week. He is finally cleared to resume team activities.

This COVID thing is an unknown and obviously affects people differently. Here we had a perfectly healthy son who is an athlete, in the best shape of his life, who came down with this and it really messed him up and scared the crap out of us. He is doing much better now but still not like he was 6 weeks ago. Hopefully it doesnÂ’t mess him up long term.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

I will say this. My son had COVID. He is in unbelievable shape, college athlete with about 6% body fat. Was in the best shape of his life before getting some GI issues, eyes hurt, And fatigue so his coaches told him to get tested. He was positive and quarantined for two weeks. Never had a fever but lost his sense of smell.

The aftermath then became a nightmare. He called us the weekend he was finishing up quarantine and he just wasnÂ’t himself. WasnÂ’t making sense and just nothing I had ever seen before. He resemble a head injury and started to sound delusional. He went to practice that Monday and the coaches called us after and said something isnÂ’t right and that his motor skills were off. We took him to Vanderbilt and they admitted him. He spent 8 days at Vandy and then we brought him home. A friend of ours is a athletic trainer in Cincy and he told us about the heart issues and possible embolisms from COVID so he said to send him to UC his I get a full work up, which we did. Brain scans, all blood work, and MRI, EKG and and ECG. His heart turned out OK but his lungs had some fluid. Also had a little inflammation in the brain. They were worried about possible blood clots because his d dimer was much higher than normal. In addition his blood pressure and heart rate was sky high during this time, which was abnormal. After all of that the doctors continued to look him over for another week and he progressed to the point of letting him go back to school. They called it post COVID syndrome that had an adverse affect on his neurological system. Once back at school The team made sure to also run a bunch more tests on his blood, heart and lungs and everything seemed back to normal last week. He is finally cleared to resume team activities.

This COVID thing is an unknown and obviously affects people differently. Here we had a perfectly healthy son who is an athlete, in the best shape of his life, who came down with this and it really messed him up and scared the crap out of us. He is doing much better now but still not like he was 6 weeks ago. Hopefully it doesnÂ’t mess him up long term.

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Wow completely scary...glad to hear he is ok now!..ok i take back what i just said.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Reads like a whole bunch of fear porn to me. Yeah it is contagious, we already know that. It kills old and unhealthy people, just like every virus.

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I'm sure that the Wall Street Journal has been called many things, but a pornographic site is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Wow completely scary...glad to hear he is ok now!..ok i take back what i just said.

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I mean, you aren’t alone in saying what you said... here’s an example:

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Originally Posted by xavierj

This is a good question. I know several younger people who work for me that have recently tested positive. Not a single one ever felt sick in any way. Fact of the matter is, is that we have 9,000 deaths under the age of 55 out of 330,000,000 people. Protect the older and vulnerable and get on with life in my opinion. Wear a mask and practice good hygiene. We won’t ever have a full proof vaccine but if we get one that helps, that’s all good too.

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It’s definitely scary stuff and it’s all too common to dismiss it as the flu until you see it negatively affect someone first hand. It’s not always about deaths whether it’s here or Canada. Think of the cost that xavierj’s son has incurred as well. We can continue to worry about the economy because of restrictions and lockdown measures in place, but the disease will negatively affect the economy no matter what we do unfortunately.

Here's a hypothetical for you medical types. What if:
1 - A month's notice was given to everybody; stock up with a 2 week supply of everything (might be hard for food)
2 - After a month, the whole country goes on a 2 week total lockdown
3 - Nobody in or out of the country, nobody goes anywhere...except the hospital

Would the virus completely die off? Or at least die off to the point where we could contact trace/quarantine ALL new cases to eradicate it.

Yes, I know this sounds like a plot of a movie. I was just wondering, because it sort of mirrors what Taiwan and some other island nations did.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Wow completely scary...glad to hear he is ok now!..ok i take back what i just said.

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Thanks. It’s a weird virus for sure. I know a lot of people who had it with no issues. A lot of the players on my sons team have had it and returned without issue, although one has a lung issue that they are not sure if he already had it or is a result of the virus. What it did to my son defiantly opened my eyes that it could be a lot more than I thought it was. We probably won’t know for sure for a long time exactly what this thing does or can do.

Stupids in Sturgis:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...&ocid=msedgdhp

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Stupids in Sturgis:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...&ocid=msedgdhp

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Is anyone , at all, surprised by this ? Sturgis isn't exactly a Mensa convention.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

Thanks. It’s a weird virus for sure. I know a lot of people who had it with no issues. A lot of the players on my sons team have had it and returned without issue, although one has a lung issue that they are not sure if he already had it or is a result of the virus. What it did to my son defiantly opened my eyes that it could be a lot more than I thought it was. We probably won’t know for sure for a long time exactly what this thing does or can do.

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Thank you for posting this (and the previous post). It's very easy for people to dismiss this until they see someone young and healthy have a severe reaction. I'm sure some day we will know more about who is most at risk and why. In the meantime I advocate for reasonable (but not extreme) precautions being taken by all parties to limit transmission until we know more about this disease (and how to treat it) or until we have a vaccine.

We already have a significant breakthrough (it sounds like) with Dexamethasone being used to treat severe cases successfully and the improvement in care has started to translate into lower death rates. This isn't just something that affects the old and sick (although the mentality that it is somehow less of an issue if it only affects the old and sick is troubling), but can affect the healthy as well - although it's statistically much less likely.

Also - someone mentioned a 2 week shutdown with 2 weeks notice. I think you would need more like a 3-4 week shutdown to account for transmission within families and the appropriate incubation period, followed by aggressive testing and contact tracing. That would be tough, but might be worth it if we could stop the spread of this. Much of Asia is doing this very effectively, but I'm not sure it would work in America. Heck - we can't even get people to talk to contact tracers here in NJ, and we have been relatively compliant with public safety measures as a state.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Here's a hypothetical for you medical types. What if:
1 - A month's notice was given to everybody; stock up with a 2 week supply of everything (might be hard for food)
2 - After a month, the whole country goes on a 2 week total lockdown
3 - Nobody in or out of the country, nobody goes anywhere...except the hospital

Would the virus completely die off? Or at least die off to the point where we could contact trace/quarantine ALL new cases to eradicate it.

Yes, I know this sounds like a plot of a movie. I was just wondering, because it sort of mirrors what Taiwan and some other island nations did.

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I'm not much of an epidemiologist, but I'll take a crack at it, so first thing to kind of keep in mind is some of COVID's characteristics (I'm going to skip things that aren't 100% set it in stone), so:

1. Viral shedding - This basically refers to release of the virus replication products after replication has been completed, this is basically the period of contagiousness. This has been seen from anywhere to around 8 days to 37 days, with an average of 20 days.

2. Infectiousness - The virus is more likely to be transmitted earlier in the course of the disease (even before symptoms appear), and then the risk of transmission decreases greatly, transmission after 7 to 10 days of illness is actually pretty unlikely. One study found that transmission was most likely around 2.3 days before onset of symptoms, and that prolonged detection of the virus does not signify prolonged infectiousness.

3. Risk of transmission - Depends on exposure type, increases obviously with closeness and duration of the contact, especially in indoor settings, the most common settings for secondary infections are: household contacts, health care setting, and close quarter work (like cruise ships and what not).

So with that all said, let's say we give a month's notice, tell everybody to stock up, I think we'd need just a little more than two weeks strictly due to the viral shedding being such a broad range, maybe 3 weeks or so at minimum to feel better at the virus dying off, though that still also wouldn't be a 100% confidence interval. This is because let's say someone happened to get exposure and infected the day before this lockdown starts, they'll start showing symptoms by roughly the end of the week, the viral shedding lasts on average 20 days, but could last longer, they'd still be infectious. You'd hope that this person wouldn't immediately go outside after getting the illness, but the psychological effects of the lockdown have been absolutely beating people down. I think it'd reduce the hell out of it, and we'd be better off, but you also have to think of the sheer number of people that have tested positive now. Even with a month's notice, there's too many people that are in various stages of being contagious for it to work now, in the beginning when it was first breaking out, could have been a possibility I THINK, granted I don't know the logistics behind how you'd be able to go about it.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Stupids in Sturgis:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...&ocid=msedgdhp

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Did you actually read this and apply some critical thought Bobbie? It cherry picked data to establish "increased cases" and extrapolated that into a future that ignores the reality of what actually happened (which was nothing). It's an obvious hit-job on the SD governor.

But don't worry. It's almost over.
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/s...191789568?s=20
This is an amazing seasonal correlation with SARS.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Did you actually read this and apply some critical thought Bobbie? It cherry picked data to establish "increased cases" and extrapolated that into a future that ignores the reality of what actually happened (which was nothing). It's an obvious hit-job on the SD governor.

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70% in the survey say they were not surprised at the results. Quelle surpris.

New York Times published an article illuminating the preponderance of false positive PCR tests. I don't subscribe, but know what it's saying from other reading on this issue. In short the sample needs to be replicated to have enough material to detect the viral RNA. Replication over 30x results in detection of RNA that is not there. CDC is recommending 40x, and most labs are testing in that range. This is why we see problems like this: https://247sports.com/college/arizon...ves-151154889/

How many of the "cases" are BS, and how many death resulting from those cases are BS? Another reason "the US is doing to bad". Test, test, test.

For those who do subscribe:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/h...s-testing.html

These studies provide me hope for a return to normalcy:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....03.20187856v1

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2026116

It appears that humural immunity MAY over time make this strain of COVID less severe and closer to the common cold/flu. Add that to the promise of a vaccine and I think the future is promising. The Emory / Penn St article is pending peer review, so must be taken with some skepticism. I like to see things with hope, myself....

It seems some of the CDC guidelines were really politicians in HHS writing them...not the scientists.

At least they are being corrected.

The damage has been done...people's livelihood's have been destroyed over the quarantining of the healthy population.

Yelp: 60% of Businesses Closed During Lockdowns Are Permanent

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/...ed-during.html

Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...ases-might-not

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Originally Posted by paulxu

It seems some of the CDC guidelines were really politicians in HHS writing them...not the scientists.

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No shit sherlock.

The AHA needs to be dismantled. In fact the government can be defunded. The IRS can be defunded.

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These studies provide me hope for a return to normalcy:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....03.20187856v1

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2026116

It appears that humural immunity MAY over time make this strain of COVID less severe and closer to the common cold/flu. Add that to the promise of a vaccine and I think the future is promising. The Emory / Penn St article is pending peer review, so must be taken with some skepticism. I like to see things with hope, myself....

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The "vaccine" is another trillion dollar scam.

The first (I believe of many) examples of data manipulation to meet an agenda:
https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-1...ing-revelation

This is criminal.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

The first (I believe of many) examples of data manipulation to meet an agenda:
https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-1...ing-revelation

This is criminal.

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Must have been taken down. Link did not work for me.

It was retracted yesterday and they issued an apology.

https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/...135795713?s=20

According to that link, Trump, Hannity, Carlson, et al. helped spread the false story...whatever it was.

Do you think each of them will retract/apologize?

Just because there is no proof of a cover-up doesn't mean there isn't, nor does it mean those evaluating the data don't have their heads up their asses.

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Originally Posted by waggy

Just because there is no proof of a cover-up doesn't mean there isn't, nor does it mean those evaluating the data don't have their heads up their asses.

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While they’re now saying they had no proof of a coverup, the facts of the data being spun the way it was is certainly “interesting”.


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Originally Posted by MADXSTER

Must have been taken down. Link did not work for me.

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Here's the news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-TRLBpAeoM

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Here's the news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-TRLBpAeoM

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The CDC has just come out with a startling revelation that the virus is airborne. Something trump told Woodward on 2/7. No wonder we have 200k dead. we are screwed.

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The CDC has just come out with a startling revelation that the virus is airborne. Something trump told Woodward on 2/7. No wonder we have 200k dead. we are screwed.

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That is really strange given the fact that everyone in and out of government has been saying that for months.

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Originally Posted by X-man

That is really strange given the fact that everyone in and out of government has been saying that for months.

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It's a little more complicated. They had originally said droplets (large) and the revised guideline included aerosol (small) means of airborne transmission.
But, not to worry, they've reversed themselves again, and gone back to droplets for now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/healt...nce/index.html

At least they did reverse themselves and now say if you have been in contact with an infected person, you should get a test (not just if you're symptomatic).

I think they are struggling to be political with HHS interference, when they should just let the scientists at CDC do their jobs.

I didn't notice this before, but they also removed cautionary language about asymptomatic people being able to spread the virus.
I thought was accepted science at this point?

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The updated CDC page had also changed language around asymptomatic transmission, shifting from saying "some people without symptoms may be able to spread the virus" to saying "people who are infected but do not show symptoms can spread the virus to others." That language has now been removed.

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It's almost like that's for rally attendance in a closed environment. If you are tested for temperature at the door, are OK, have no apparent symptoms (cough, etc) then it's OK to go on in. I can't imagine this is a good approach to helping control the spread.

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Originally Posted by X-man

That is really strange given the fact that everyone in and out of government has been saying that for months.

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NM The Admin. got to them and they took it down today.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6506/1010

For those interested in the science behind the antibody treatment that President Trump has received this is a detailed article on what it is and how it works. The actual phase 3 trial data is still being processed but looks decent in slowing the disease progression. The concept is basically to inject antibodies into the patient to slow disease progression while the body’s natural response occurs, which takes time.

Regeneron stock is not cheap but it may see a bump for a bit early next week if you’re into quick trading.

So we learn that trump had it for 72 hours or Wednesday at noon and continued on with numerous meetings with no mask. Despicable.