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02-01-2022, 11:08 AM
GoMuskies

Jesus, if it's Trump vs. Biden again I'll....well, I'll once again vote for neither of them and my life probably won't be much affected either way (except on message boards!).
02-01-2022, 11:09 AM
GoMuskies

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

IHow on earth does whoppi still have a job.

Come on, everyone knows the Holocaust was just a little white on white intramural scuffle. No big deal.
02-01-2022, 11:16 AM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Come on, everyone knows the Holocaust was just a little white on white intramural scuffle. No big deal.

But Rogan's a problem for talking about something that worked FOR HIM and his Drs.
02-01-2022, 11:19 AM
xuwillie

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But Rogan's a problem for talking about something that worked FOR HIM and his Drs.

And this is why most independents will vote republican this year. Sane folks are tired of it
02-01-2022, 02:49 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

You must be confused (again), post 7062 has nothing to do with your claim, which again, numerous links refuting.

As far as vax mandates, I have zero issue with private businesses deciding to mandate their employees or customers be vaccinated. 100% their right. Just as it is the right of the employee or customer not to work or patronize that particular business. When it comes to healthcare, I not only have zero issue with it, I actively support it and it fits in line with numerous other requirements of healthcare workers that have been in place for a long time.

Sorry, to burst your bubble but the links you posted are not related to my statement - I was not aware of these studies. Post 7062 is in reference to actual data from the UK showing per capita cases notably higher for the vaxxed than for unvaxxed. You can look up that data yourself if you don't believe me.

What about government mandates? Do you support them?
02-01-2022, 02:52 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Sorry, to burst your bubble but the links you posted are not related to my statement - I was not aware of these studies. Post 7062 is in reference to actual data from the UK showing per capita cases notably higher for the vaxxed than for unvaxxed. You can look up that data yourself if you don't believe me.

What about government mandates? Do you support them?

Perhaps this is the issue? Repeat Covid Booster Shots Spur Warning on Immune Response, EU Regulators Warn - Bloomberg
02-01-2022, 02:54 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Well, that should free up about 60,000 beds for other things than.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...mber-year.html

BTW, can you link to where the CDC "admitted that hospitalizations were over-counted by almost double"? Thanks

Here you go, Paul:
1) COVID Hospitalization Numbers Can Be Misleading - The Atlantic
2) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-admitted.html
02-01-2022, 03:02 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Omicron that’s why. Do you believe counting and tracking cases is important now? Because I thought you were in the camp that it doesn’t really matter. And I would agree. Hospitalizations and deaths (what truly matters) are still highest per capita in unvaccinated individuals. And if we want to include those not boosted that would be fine too.

The level of antibodies needed to fight off this variant are higher. It’s not really all that much milder for those without prior immunity. You mentioned vaccinated getting this variant but you didn’t mention those previously infected. I’ve seen a lot of reinfections with this variant, some even that had covid in September/October. The data out there supports that.

This variant flames out so fast, hopefully once the dust settles there is a worldwide push to fully vaccinate (which in my mind is 3+ shots) as many people as possible. And even more important, develop a vaccine that has better durability.

"Omicron, that's why". OK I agree, but with that being the case, what good are additional vaccines doing to stop spread? Based on the UK data, they seem to be exacerbating spread. And yes, I know the vaccine lowers hospitalizations and deaths. That is not the issue.

Why are vax mandates pointless? "Omicron, that's why".
02-01-2022, 03:05 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by paulxu

You all are so easily duped:

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2TE0TW

Since you guys seem to love quoting Reuters' fact checks, you should know that the Reuters Chairman is also a Pfizer Board Member.
02-01-2022, 03:15 PM
paulxu

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Here you go, Paul:
1) COVID Hospitalization Numbers Can Be Misleading - The Atlantic
2) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-admitted.html

Thanks. Didn't see anything in the second link, but the first one was instructive.
The thrust of the article and the studies wasn't (according to how I read it) that the CDC admitted hospitalizations were over-counted by double.
Rather that many hospitalizations, in cases over 40%+, were mild symptoms that didn't end up requiring oxygen, intubation, etc.
I guess if someone is symptomatic, goes to the ER, and the doctor admits for observation...then it becomes a "hospitalization."
If they go for something else and are admitted (and they also are Covid +) then that might be counted incorrectly.

But whats the point? Hundreds of thousands have died from the virus. 2,000+/day are still dying. Maybe that's the number to focus on.
We turned the world upside down forever for the terrorist attack of 9/11 where 3,000 were killed on one day. We keep doing that every 2 days.....

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