Covid-19

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Lloyd I distinctly remember a discussion with you on this topic and finally found it. Post 3762, I understood that as you acknowledging it is possible that a COVID-19 RNA sequence could be arrived from the flu if run at a high enough Ct. No?

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If that’s what you were implying I misunderstood you at that time. I thought you were referring to false positive covid tests being derived from people who were not actively infected with covid, which turns out to be true. I did not realize you were implying covid tests being positive from the flu virus’ presence. I don’t know how they would be confused as they don’t share NA sequences.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

If that’s what you were implying I misunderstood you at that time. I thought you were referring to false positive covid tests being derived from people who were not actively infected with covid, which turns out to be true. I did not realize you were implying covid tests being positive from the flu virus’ presence. I don’t know how they would be confused as they don’t share NA sequences.

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OK, thanks. I was implying that based on the prior post, but wasn't clear.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Who would have thunk the Jesuits were progressives!?

I don’t necessarily agree with asymptomatic testing but there are too many people who answer “no” to the symptom questions that have runny noses, coughs, etc. Really puts the school in a tough spot as they are responsible for the safety of others.

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Is Xavier making flu shots mandatory? Are they testing for the flu? The fact of the matter here is everything they have done is unethical. I took two medical ethics classes while at Xavier. Would be great classes for the Xavier Administration and a few who post on this website. The Covid vaccine is not a vaccine. It is a shot just as the flu shot is a shot. It doesn’t prevent you from getting it; period.

Who is paying for these kids to get tested if they’re asymptotic. Insurance sure as hell isn’t. Is the University paying? No they’re not. Out of pocket for the student/parents. A total waste of time and resources.

Over the last couple weeks, "The Experts" have acknowledged:
1. PCR tests should not be used for disease diagnosis (CDC Director Walensky)
2. Masks are ineffective: "nothing but facial decoration" (CNN Health Expert Wen), and "do very little since it's an airborne virus" (Pfizer-hired ex-CDC director Gottlieb)
3. Covid hospitalizations have been overcounted due to testing people without covid symptoms (Fauci).
Hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Double Down

Who is paying for these kids to get tested if they’re asymptotic. Insurance sure as hell isn’t. Is the University paying? No they’re not. Out of pocket for the student/parents. A total waste of time and resources.

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You are correct about who pays, and that it's a total waste. But not surprising since the current Administration is a total waste. It's certainly not the same place I attended, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Xville

And I’ll pray that one day you won’t believe everything that fits your bias just because it is on the internet.

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Cool beans bro.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

My rebuttal source initially was myself but you don’t seem to like that source either. I explained it just like the article does I linked. You don’t understand how a covid or flu test works, and that’s ok, but don’t pretend you know how it works and then refute the reason to which your opinion is wrong.

So I will summarize it once again for you in my own terms. When we do a covid PCR test, we test for covid nucleic acid, aka presence of that particular virus. When we do a flu test, we test for nucleic acid from the influenza virus, usually influenza A and influenza B. These are typically ran separately, though there are tests that detect ALL of them which we have been using since April of 2020. These are called multiplex tests. Most covid tests are not done to also detect flu, so it’s possible someone can test positive for both if they were done together. But a positive covid test DOES distinguish between the flu because it is specifically testing for covid. The CDC is giving preference to the multiplex test because it tests for covid AND the flu. This does not imply that the covid tests alone cannot distinguish between the two as you have implied. It implies that it is better to test for all 3.

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Lloyd. I get it. Be a good Doc to your patients.

Last year I saw zero positive flu tests (out of hundreds of tests). This year I have seen 3 so far, all influenza A. One person contracted covid a week after the flu (her husband tested positive before her and she started with a new timeline of symptoms) which makes me think less of the competing virus theory. One case, but I was still surprised to see she got both in a matter of 2 weeks. Interesting stuff…

Does anyone on this board know how many people died of Covid during the Pfizer and Moderna Phase 3 vaccines trials?

Exactly 1.

So why were the numbers so low compared to what we’ve seen in the real world over the last 18 months? One, because not enough people were included in the trials. More importantly, the two trials lasted less than 4 months. So there wasn’t enough time to gage whether their efficacy would last or not.

Between the two “studies”, exactly 466 people got Covid during the trial periods.

Yes, that’s right; these garbage “studies” were used to justify jabbing every single person in the world with this snake oil. Isn’t it a coincidence that the efficacy of these same “vaccines” begins to wane after 3 or 4 months?

Before you try to gaslight and tell us that the vaccines were created to reduce the severity of Covid, remember, we were all led to believe, and were told countless times by Fauci and the medical establishment, that the vaccines would “stop Covid in its tracks”. Sorry, it’s all on video if you don’t remember.

If you still think vaccines are working, you’re simply not informed. The data is undeniable at this point.

This is a pandemic of colossal government failure in not using existing drugs, pursuing new therapeutics and implementing best practices from around the world.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577