Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by X-man

I'll go with Wall Street on this one.

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Of course you will, because it fits your opinion. The article focused on only 1-2 views not the whole sum game.

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Originally Posted by Juice

1) Trump is wearing a mask now.
2) Please tell me how you would enforce a national mask mandate across all 50 states.
3) Please tell me how you enforce a national mask mandate while also defunding police and asking for less police intervention.

And we don't think the virus is fake news, we simply choose not to live in fear after weighing the risks and rewards. Wearing a mask outside is stupid and goes against the "science" you all talk about so much.

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3.) The social workers will have counseling sessions about enforcing masks...no worries

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Originally Posted by Juice

1) Trump is wearing a mask now.
2) Please tell me how you would enforce a national mask mandate across all 50 states.
3) Please tell me how you enforce a national mask mandate while also defunding police and asking for less police intervention.

And we don't think the virus is fake news, we simply choose not to live in fear after weighing the risks and rewards. Wearing a mask outside is stupid and goes against the "science" you all talk about so much.

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Trump spent like 4 months literally mocking wearing masks. He is presumably now wearing one because somebody convinced him it would be politically expedient. He's far from a vocal advocate for them, even now.

It's obviously difficult to enforce a mask mandate, however if we had just issued one and were consistent with the messaging I'll bet that the overwhelming majority of people would have worn them. It's probably too late at this point - we already have too many 'patriots' looking to turn the aisles of their local Costco into the OK Corral over their 'right' not to wear a mask in a private business.

I agree that wearing masks outside is stupid, unless you are attending an outdoor event with many people in close proximity, ala the Sturgis example. I think it's stupid to be holding or attending events like that though.

I really think we could have avoided a lot of the ongoing turmoil from COVID if we had just all worn masks and made some relatively minor changes to our lives for a relatively short period of time, coupled with any kind of coordinated national response and guidelines to help with contact tracing and isolation. We have a federal government with a level of incompetence that we have never seen before, IMO, and that was exposed here. Coordinating the response to National crises is a key role of federal government - that's something that Democrats and Republicans used to agree on.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

The WSJ article was focused on Harris’ position on financial market and business regulation. The Voteview site was all things considered.

So if we’re real lucky, someone will point out to Biden that he lost his marbles, then we’ll have another 2008 financial collapse along with defunded police. But it’s not Trump.

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I'm not really sure what this means. What about Biden's economic policies is likely to lead to a financial collapse? That just seems like unfounded doom and gloom - or perhaps the type of 'fear porn' that you are so against when it comes to the media's reaction to COVID.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Of course you will, because it fits your opinion. The article focused on only 1-2 views not the whole sum game.

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Whatever. But I will point out that other than a few right-wing political sites, most of the sites I have seen characterize Harris as a moderate. No one but a Republican hack would call her extreme and place her (say) with "the Squad" in her views. But hey, whatever "fits your opinion".

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Trump spent like 4 months literally mocking wearing masks. He is presumably now wearing one because somebody convinced him it would be politically expedient. He's far from a vocal advocate for them, even now.

It's obviously difficult to enforce a mask mandate, however if we had just issued one and were consistent with the messaging I'll bet that the overwhelming majority of people would have worn them. It's probably too late at this point - we already have too many 'patriots' looking to turn the aisles of their local Costco into the OK Corral over their 'right' not to wear a mask in a private business.

I agree that wearing masks outside is stupid, unless you are attending an outdoor event with many people in close proximity, ala the Sturgis example. I think it's stupid to be holding or attending events like that though.

I really think we could have avoided a lot of the ongoing turmoil from COVID if we had just all worn masks and made some relatively minor changes to our lives for a relatively short period of time, coupled with any kind of coordinated national response and guidelines to help with contact tracing and isolation. We have a federal government with a level of incompetence that we have never seen before, IMO, and that was exposed here. Coordinating the response to National crises is a key role of federal government - that's something that Democrats and Republicans used to agree on.



I'm not really sure what this means. What about Biden's economic policies is likely to lead to a financial collapse? That just seems like unfounded doom and gloom - or perhaps the type of 'fear porn' that you are so against when it comes to the media's reaction to COVID.

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"However if we just issued something that is unconstitutional, not within presidential powers, and violates federalism...I'm sure everyone would be cool with it"

I'm a Trump supporter and I would have been livid if he issued a national mask mandate. I voted for Dewine but won't again because of his overreach during the covid stuff and long before it (raising taxes, raising the smoking age to 21) because civil liberties mean something to me.

I remember when Obama was the most liberal Senator at the time he was elected. As it turns out, that did not translate to the most liberal Presidency.

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Originally Posted by X-man

Whatever. But I will point out that other than a few right-wing political sites, most of the sites I have seen characterize Harris as a moderate. No one but a Republican hack would call her extreme and place her (say) with "the Squad" in her views. But hey, whatever "fits your opinion".

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There is nothing opinion-based about her Senate voting-record and by all measures her record says she's incredibly liberal. The fact that she speaks the moderate language is trumped by the fact that when it comes time to vote, she swings hard left. In 2018 and 2019 she was scored dead last in joining bi-partisan bills. You are what your record says you are...

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I remember when Obama was the most liberal Senator at the time he was elected. As it turns out, that did not translate to the most liberal Presidency.

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Agreed. The fact that he failed miserably to get gun control passed after Sandy Hook is certainly a stain on his legacy. Getting drilled in the 2010 mid-terms didn't help either.

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Does anyone think this isn't racist? Holy shit.

DeJoy removing the sorting machines from the Post Office should be grounds for dismissal. Third world stuff.