Covid-19

Your question seeks to make a political argument about the vaccine.
I am saddened it has become that sort of question, rather than one about public health.
It's like asking you if you think people should drive on the right side of the road in the United States.
We use to come together to face a public health crisis. Sadly in the case of Covid, it has become divisive, not unifying.

Once the vaccine is approved for children, if that occurs, then yes, I would support them taking it...the same way I was vaccinated and protected from polio in the early '50's.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Interesting language. How about for Medical freedom and the Constitution as opposed to anti-shot. You're comment was very unamerican.

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This is not the government trying to dictate to you. This is employers and sporting events. It has nothing to do with the constitution, it’s the real world. I just stated some facts. To call it “unamerican” is just silly. You have the right to refuse the shots, obviously. There may be consequences, however.

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Originally Posted by xu82

This is not the government trying to dictate to you. This is employers and sporting events. It has nothing to do with the constitution, it’s the real world. I just stated some facts. To call it “unamerican” is just silly. You have the right to refuse the shots, obviously. There may be consequences, however.

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The Fed told businesses they must mandate the vax, the employees must take tests or no work. Fascism by definition. Unamerican in every way.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Fed told businesses they must mandate the vax, the employees must take tests or no work. Fascism by definition. Unamerican in every way.

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1. That’s only for employers with 100 employees +
2. It’s not really a mandate when you have the option of getting tested instead of taking a vaccine
3. It is very American to do everything possible to keep people healthy and safe
4. No ones opinion is going to change here, I request to the mods this thread is either moved like the politics thread was or closed completely

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Originally Posted by Xville

I request to the mods this thread is either moved like the politics thread was or closed completely

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This is always bizarre to me. Particularly from someone who has posted about 500 times on the thread. Just don't read it.

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Originally Posted by Xville

1. That’s only for employers with 100 employees +

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I think this will be a problem for the validity of the mandate. Isn’t Biden looking to have OSHA make this an emergency regulation? OSHA deals with safety for everyone. Shouldn’t people working for smaller employers be safe? Why is it that it won’t apply to Postal workers? There are more than 100 of them. I think that might shoot it down.


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Again, big difference between design and purpose of the polio and covid vaccines. Polio is a sterilizing immunity vaccine, i.e., eradication. On the other hand, the covid vaccine is an effective immunity vaccine, i.e., to reduce infection and serious outcomes in many cases like the flu shot. One of the reason why the flu shot is not mandated.

Medical community should have clarified this distinction and expectations early one. However after reading MID’s posted article on hospitalizations, the confidence and realistic expectations of the covid vaccine have been completely distorted by the press and politics.

Bottom line, the vaccine is still a very effective tool against covid but will not eradicate it. So, let people along with their doctor make the best decision for themselves. For me and my family, we got vaccinated.

I really think Delta was a game changer on the vaccine’s potential to eradicate. In theory there could be eradication with widespread vaccination and immunity but that ship has sailed without the ability to have worldwide distribution/acceptance of the vaccine. That is why we are seeing boosters, which is a tough spot ethically to be getting boosters while there are countries desperate for doses.

The study from the Atlantic article should be taken with a giant grain of salt and as usual is being misinterpreted on a couple levels. Not shocking, but the data is intended to show the effects of the vaccine on hospitalization. The VA does things very different than community hospitals so applying the data from the VA to the general public is a huge mistake.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Your question seeks to make a political argument about the vaccine.
I am saddened it has become that sort of question, rather than one about public health.
It's like asking you if you think people should drive on the right side of the road in the United States.
We use to come together to face a public health crisis. Sadly in the case of Covid, it has become divisive, not unifying.

Once the vaccine is approved for children, if that occurs, then yes, I would support them taking it...the same way I was vaccinated and protected from polio in the early '50's.

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Should people have the choice whether to take it or not? It's a pretty simple question, that for some reason you refuse to, or are scared to answer. Here, I'll go first. I am 100% pro-vaccine and I believe in its effectiveness in keeping people out of the ICU. However, I think it's a choice to make based on a number of different personal situations. Now you go.....

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Originally Posted by Xville

1. That’s only for employers with 100 employees +
2. It’s not really a mandate when you have the option of getting tested instead of taking a vaccine
3. It is very American to do everything possible to keep people healthy and safe
4. No ones opinion is going to change here, I request to the mods this thread is either moved like the politics thread was or closed completely

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1. 1, 100, 1M. No authority to do so.
2. BS, weak, weasel word statement.
3. No. It’s American to keep yourself healthy the way you want. Your freedom to do you includes my right to be free from you.
4. Right, so mind your own business Karen.