Covid-19

BBC: There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination. Which is better?

"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098

FYI, Xavier's new President just announced that all students must be vaccinated in order to enroll for the spring term. Employees should be next even though they are already 85+% vaccinated. Spring will see a covid-free campus, hopefully.

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Originally Posted by X-man

FYI, Xavier's new President just announced that all students must be vaccinated in order to enroll for the spring term. Employees should be next even though they are already 85+% vaccinated. Spring will see a covid-free campus, hopefully.

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I expect we will see a ton of this now that the vaccine (at least the Pfizer one) has full FDA approval. I'll be interested to see if the FDA approval has an impact on the vaccine-hesitant, many of whom cited the lack of FDA approval as a key reason for their decision not to get vaccinated. It will be tough to separate that from people who have decided to get vaccinated as a response to the Delta variant, though.

Uh-oh....

Two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are among the vaccinated according to a UK gov't report.

* From February 1 to August 2, the UK recorded 742 deaths from the Delta variant. Out of those 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated

* 402 deaths out of 47,008 cases in vaccinated people (8.6 per 1000)

* 253 deaths out of 151,054 cases in unvaccinated people (1.7 per 1000)

See Table 5: https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

https://chriswaldburger.substack.com...estroys-entire

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Uh-oh....

Two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are among the vaccinated according to a UK gov't report.

* From February 1 to August 2, the UK recorded 742 deaths from the Delta variant. Out of those 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated

* 402 deaths out of 47,008 cases in vaccinated people (8.6 per 1000)

* 253 deaths out of 151,054 cases in unvaccinated people (1.7 per 1000)

See Table 5: https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

https://chriswaldburger.substack.com...estroys-entire

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Shouldn't we ask these 4 questions though?

* What's the average age compared to last winter or last year?

* What percent are overweight?

* What percent have a comorbidity?

* What percent have a vitamin D deficiency?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Uh-oh....

Two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are among the vaccinated according to a UK gov't report.

* From February 1 to August 2, the UK recorded 742 deaths from the Delta variant. Out of those 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated

* 402 deaths out of 47,008 cases in vaccinated people (8.6 per 1000)

* 253 deaths out of 151,054 cases in unvaccinated people (1.7 per 1000)

See Table 5: https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

https://chriswaldburger.substack.com...estroys-entire

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Shouldn't we ask these 4 questions though?

* What's the average age compared to last winter or last year?

* What percent are overweight?

* What percent have a comorbidity?

* What percent have a vitamin D deficiency?

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

Shouldn't we ask these 4 questions though?

* What's the average age compared to last winter or last year?

* What percent are overweight?

* What percent have a comorbidity?

* What percent have a vitamin D deficiency?

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Ask them twice??

Absolutely we should! Those are key questions that need to be answered to understand the real risk for those that are healthy and young. However, it's very clear that this is no longer a pandemic of the unvaccinated as we are constantly told - that is my main point....

But to partially answer your question, the UK did provide data for above and below age 50. Here's the death rates for each group from Table 5:

vaccinated:

<50 = 0.03%
>50 = 5.96%

unvaccinated:

<50 =0.05%
>50 =1.81%

Obviously if you're young you have very little to worry about....

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Ask them twice??

Absolutely we should! Those are key questions that need to be answered to understand the real risk for those that are healthy and young. However, it's very clear that this is no longer a pandemic of the unvaccinated as we are constantly told - that is my main point....

But to partially answer your question, the UK did provide data for above and below age 50. Here's the death rates for each group from Table 5:

vaccinated:

<50 = 0.03%
>50 = 5.96%

unvaccinated:

<50 =0.05%
>50 =1.81%

Obviously if you're young you have very little to worry about....

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To be fair is it same to assume the # of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated deaths are a result of a higher vaccination rate in the UK?

The UK numbers are alarming since they seem counter to most other reports:

https://www.wsfa.com/2021/08/23/94-a...-unvaccinated/

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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), approximately 99.5% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States are among unvaccinated people.

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https://www.scripps.org/news_items/7...-are-the-risks

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To be fair is it same to assume the # of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated deaths are a result of a higher vaccination rate in the UK?

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Precisely.

When close to 90% of the adult population is vaccinated you would fully expect to see a higher number of deaths coming from the vax pool than the non-vax pool. Efficacy of the vaccine was never purported to be 100%.