Our deaths continue to decline. As long as that continues, I don't really care if new cases rise.
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Our deaths continue to decline. As long as that continues, I don't really care if new cases rise.
I wonder if the EU isn't paying hospitals money for COVID patients...….Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
I keep hearing this theory and it laughable to me that a hospital would take the risk of faking a COVID result in order to get the 20% surplus from Medicaid on that patient. Has there been any proof to this?Quote:
Originally Posted by muskiefan82
If there was any truth to this you would be seeing whistleblowers left and right filing false claims act cases. They can be giant money makers for both the attorney and the whistleblower. So if you know someone, please have them reach out to me, I would be happy to cash in on that case.
The mainstream media is such an effing joke when it comes to this. Was watching the today show, (I really should stop because most of the "newspeople" on there are such a joke) and it was the sky is falling, cases exploding everywhere including south florida (miami). Of course, during the segment, they kept showing beaches, bars but yet didnt show the protests that been happening down there now for weeks. In fact, there was even a comment in the "news" report that there havent been a spike in cases from the protests, even though there have been reports where the tracers are not even deliberately asking if the person infected participated in protests.
Then my favorite was when they interviewed the miami mayor and basically shamed him for going to a restaurant and taking a picture with someone without wearing a mask....oh the horror!
Something seriously needs to be done about the "press" in our country...the left wing and right wing media need to go the way of the dinosaur and we need to get back to actual reporting of the news in an objective non-sensationalist manner.
You are right. Deaths going down is great. Hope it continues, and we're not into a lagging situation vs cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Yep, I'm hopeful, but certainly wary of the lagging issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Good luck with that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
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https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-reportQuote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Cases are way up, deaths are dropping. Are we treating it better? Or are we on the verge of bad news?
My guess is that more testing is being done on younger, healthier people including asymptomatic people. Remember the earliest tests were done almost exclusively on "high risk" and/or symptomatic cases, people with a much higher likelihood of needing hospitalization and/or dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
This goes back to something I posted earlier. We need more detailed information on who is being tested and who is getting sick. We surely have enough data now to be able to look at different demographic groups (more than simply by age or race) and make more specific risk assessments for each group. What, for example, is the likelihood of requiring hospitalization and/or dying if you are (1) over 65, and (2) without underlying health issues, and (3) not being institutionalized or subjected to extended exposure in a closed environment? It might well be so low that those of us who fall into this group (me, for example) might choose to do more "normal" things and taking that risk. We all need better guidance and information than we are getting at the federal, state, and local level. And we certainly need a President who doesn't actively spew misinformation about such risks if we are to make better choices in dealing with this hell we are currently negotiating.
I know we’ve covered this before but Georgia’s reporting is intentionally lagged and somewhat skewed. I think their trend on deaths is downward but it’s hard to tell. This graph has more real-time data.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
Also check out hospitalizations, as there is a slight upward trend recently. I don’t think it’s unexpected or something to really freak out about but it is not a trend that is truly downward.
Also for good comparison, change the states to see how everyone is doing. Arizona, Florida, Texas, Ohio, California, New York etc are states I find interesting for various reasons.
I personally really don’t pay much attention to new cases unless there’s an unexplained major spike, which I feel has helped my own perspective on the disease state. I can say that locally in NEO we have seen a pretty drastic decline in hospitalizations and deaths yet continued positive testing even in symptomatic patients. So perhaps there is even some regional changes/mutation to the virus itself that we are not seeing (purely speculation on my part). I truly believe we have vastly underestimated the effectiveness in masking/distancing more so than overestimated the serious effects of the virus.
See post 2199.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Summary for those without an hour to watch a video? TIA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
A quick google showed it was being pushed by Info Wars, which was enough information to decide not to waste an hour of my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
But, it's NOT too much information, Lloyd. You as a medical guy NEEDS to watch this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
The subject is Elmhurst Hospital and the interviewee is a former Army woman who became a nurse and came to New York from Florida to help out with the hospitals up there. She has an incredibly revealing interview where she mixes in actual on the job video where she flatly states that only 50% of the patients in Elmhurst were Covid positive but the hospital was reporting 100% Covid occupancy. This hospital actually mixed non-Covid patients with Covid positive patients....in the same room!
There was a clear financial incentive to do this. $29,000 per Covid patient was extra money due the hospital if they were classified as Covid.
So, Lloyd. Please watch and I'll be interested in your response.
Ok, censor yourself, but if you really want to learn about reality, you should watch it and comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
The interviewee, Erin Olzewski is credible and has on the job secret video that proves her statements.
#FactsMatter
Yeah, Ive seen some other general data but I don’t have a link, sorry. I was responding to GO about hoping the deaths are not just lagging behind all these new cases. I’m also wondering if we’ve made any improvements in treatment as they’ve gained more experience. The only thing I can hang my hat on is deaths. Too many other ways to skew the numbers, but dead is dead. I hope that category stays looking positive, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
I watched 25 minutes of it and even though my bullshit radar went off after 45 seconds, I continued to watch. She does not know intensive care medicine at all, and when directly asked a question about critical care or specifics of treatment she looks away from the camera (poor body language) and then starts to spew BS such as Dentists ordering ventilator pressures. After googling her name my suspicions were confirmed as she has a book now released after this video. There are anonymous accounts on this website which I believe to be true accounts based on watching half the video and reading these anonymous accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
As always, there’s an alternate agenda with most everyone looking for attention. We may not come to the same conclusion, which is fine, but I urge you to read these accounts and refute them such as I watched the video.
Well that debunked that one. At least she was easy on the eyes - I don’t feel like it was a totally wasted hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Actually that was my first thought, that she was attractive and would be a perfect Fox News expert correspondent. And that was before I researched her!Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Wow! Interesting take...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Seems to be a prerequisite for them... I can’t be the only one to notice thisQuote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
So you’re saying CNN and MSNBC experts are ugly? [emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
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Not at all, but after watching 25 minutes of the video I concluded that she would be a much better fit with right slanted fake news. Could you see CNN/MSNBC broadcasting her angle? No way...Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
You could be on to something. Maybe this is part of their strategy to brainwash dumb guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
The trick is to watch on mute!
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/sta...361201152?s=20
A lot change in a few months.
More positive tests on PGA tour which is expected.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...ve-coronavirus
Commissioner press conference at 2pm. Many complaints about lack of distancing from pros and caddies last week at Hilton Head. Can’t imagine they will or should cancel anything at this point.
Being that this tournament is in Connecticut, and seeing that NY NJ CT just required anyone from high case areas to quarantine for 14 days, have a tough time seeing this one going this week. Will be interesting to see what the MLB will do.
Yea that’s interesting. Though it’s not a blockage it’s a recommended quarantine... and everyone arrived before this proposition. Guess we will find out at 2pmQuote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
Fascinating. A few months ago, South Carolina was quarantining anyone coming from those 3 states.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
Now shoe is on other foot. (the one you jump off of)
Also, this is really depressing.
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/tru...icas-families/
Good research. Welp. Enough about her. Thanks. Bullshit happens from all directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
But a book? Like with Bolton, follow the money.
If GOLF can’t pull off a tournament without bad news, what are the chances football or basketball can happen in just a few months? I know, he may have gotten it anywhere, but it seems like it would spread like wild fire in a football environment. I am not optimistic at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Interesting. It looks like you may be right, seems like they have a half dozen WDs but going on for the tournament (? ) for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
We have reached the level where roughly one-half of 1% of the world’s population now has an active COVID-19 case.
.......as far as we know. I wish we had a REAL idea of how many people have been infected. The most trusted number we have is how many people have died. Even then, WITH Covid and BECAUSE of Covid are very different. Don’t get me wrong! I’m not downplaying it, I’m just not trusting BS numbers and media hype. Too many years in hurricane territory have taught me that this is similar. Very real, but not to be fully believed. They try to scare you, and in this case it might be a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
I hear you and agree. Take the numbers with a grain of salt. For me the estimated cases now being a tangible number (not fractions of a percent too small to comprehend) made me take pause.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
I do find it strange that the cases are popping now (and not just due to testing though that is the major contributor) in places that opened 2 months ago or were not locked down. Were people cautious after opening then got complacent? It’s a head scratcher for me.
It's not rocket science...memorial day weekend, protests and ridiculous things like movie theaters and gyms opening upQuote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Right, but those things were 4+ weeks ago. Incubation period is average of 5-6 days, 12 max. We should have seen the jump in cases by early June, not late June.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
As an aside I don’t see that gyms or movie theaters are inherently risky if participants practice common sense (distance, hygiene, masks).
Protests were a week or two ago, and sure none of those things are I inherently risk if x,y, z but I highly doubt guidelines are followed. I walked into a restaurant in tennessee a couple of days ago to pick up some takeout food, and apparently covid is completely gone...there were people basically sitting on top of each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Did you get takeout from a Gentleman’s Club?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville