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08-11-2021, 05:49 PM
bobbiemcgee

Looks like I'll be getting my 3rd shot soon.
08-11-2021, 06:27 PM
X Factor

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Looks like I'll be getting my 3rd shot soon.

And then fourth, fifth, sixth...just keep getting jabbed bud.

According to the WHO, it takes 10 years or more for a vaccine to be developed.
08-11-2021, 06:52 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by Xville

And thru that process, you come to a conclusion or answer.

…which is opened to the process of additional question, data collection, and evaluation.
08-11-2021, 07:45 PM
Muskie in dayton

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

India’s covid spike took place over a matter of months. It really started to increase beginning of March, peaked beginning of May, and returned back towards a reasonable rate in July. When you are at 400k+ cases/day (reported, likely much higher actuality) the number of available hosts decreases drastically, even in India. Not to mention they were vaccinating quite a few people at that time. I don’t know all that occurred there but it seems that their healthcare system collapsed in several places. So yes I suppose we disagree as I believe they reached a point of rock bottom and changed behavior. It’s human nature in that situation.

At every latitude the flu goes away every year. Covid does not. Their patterns are not very similar. I’m sure there is a latitude that has a similar pattern but I don’t see it. I would be open to data but I was looking directly at his book from 40 years ago or whatever and I see a definitive seasonal virus with the flu that disappears in the summer. Not so much with covid. Some of that may be due to viral behavior but there is human impact on both and most likely due to ventilation.

Iceland has done a great job jabbing at over 90% vaccination rate ages 16+. Hospitalizations have been minimal and they’ve had 1 death in 2021. I do not know enough details about their cases but I do find it ironic you use their case number as an example yet months ago question the cases due to CT values. Check out the CT values in Iceland and see who they are testing and I think you may change your tune on them.

The disease burden remains driven by the unvaccinated without natural immunity. Note I did not just say “unvaccinated” as I do believe those with natural immunity are not driving the burden of disease. By burden, I mean hospitalizations, death, cost, etc. Viral loads are high in those without prior immunity, natural or vaccinated, and when viral load is higher there is more transmission. I am seeing this in real life in a sample size that is reasonable. Many households have couples where one chooses to vaccinate and the other does not. So far 100% of the symptomatic breakthrough infections I have seen this week have likely come from the unvaccinated spouse or household member. That is why I believe vaccination would end this if it were possible to get everyone on board. When the antibody titers are high, we do not see infection or transmission. Here is more data to support that from Moderna.

Yes, agree to disagree on the reason why cases drop so fast. Also if you look at tropical areas, the flu does not disappear. But that is minutia.

On to the breakthrough cases, I had not considered the Ct, nor have I looked at how Iceland handles that. But if they are running the samples at ludicrous speed, then I agree with you and that is a garbage metric, and could bias the vax breakthrough cases high. This does further my point though, that "cases" (aka positive test results) is a terrible metric, along with % positive, they all need to go where the sun don't shine. What it comes down to is are people getting gravely ill and dying.

I hope you are right that vaccination/natural immunity will end this. It should, and as I stated above, I believe it has already has. If someone wants to go unvaccinated (aside from kids and those with natural immunity), it's their risk. Just like if someone wants to skydive, swim with great whites, or hike naked to the north pole, that's on them. Have at it, but time for the rest of us to go about our lives.
08-11-2021, 08:21 PM
paulxu

My limit at Dana's and driving has just taken a big increase. Freedom !
08-11-2021, 08:25 PM
bobbiemcgee

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Originally Posted by X Factor

And then fourth, fifth, sixth...just keep getting jabbed bud.

According to the WHO, it takes 10 years or more for a vaccine to be developed.

Jabs don't bother me. I got about 16 vaccines in less than a minute in the military. Two docs with "plungers" and needles hitting you in both arms as you ran the gauntlet. They gave you maybe ten minutes to wash off your arms then on to the O course. In the last five years, I got jabs for shingles prevention, whooping cough, (so I could see new babies), the annual flu shot, a Tb test, etc. So who cares if I get an annual covid shot? No big deal.
08-12-2021, 12:00 AM
X Factor

New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be "a wakeup call"

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-va...0be357070.html
08-12-2021, 01:40 PM
GoMuskies

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Originally Posted by principal

Your thoughts on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUPD0W71iMc

Was this the Mt. Vernon, IN school board? If so, that video is currently on fire on Twitter.
08-12-2021, 01:51 PM
XU_Lou

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Originally Posted by X Factor

New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be "a wakeup call"

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-va...0be357070.html

Holy shit! Who would've ever thought that the data coming out of Iceland, Israel and the UK was actually accurate! Damn, that's weird...

In related news:

* EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA COVID-19 shots: "Erythema multiforme, a form of allergic skin reaction; glomerulonephritis or kidney inflammation; and nephrotic syndrome, a renal disorder characterised by heavy urinary protein losses, are being studied by the safety committee of the European Medicines Agency (EMA), according to the regulator."

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...es-2021-08-11/

* Meanwhile, in Israel, which is 80% Vaccinated, Suffers Another Covid-19 Surge: "Country delivers more booster shots, restores mask and quarantine mandates as Delta variant drives up hospitalizations"

https://archive.fo/f6wRU#selection-3639.5-3643.118

https://www.timesofisrael.com/health...-within-month/

Perhaps Joe Rogan explains it best in this short video where he cites a scientific study on why this happening (you'll need to click "View" to watch it):
https://twitter.com/cdelvallejr/stat...31149567172616

I totally agree with Alex Berenson:

"We are in a race. It’s not a race of vaccines against variants, though. We know who wins that race.

We are in a race of truth against hysteria, honest appraisal of data against a desperate unwillingness to admit error, and health against profit.

The stakes could not be higher."
08-12-2021, 01:52 PM
Xville

https://www.wthr.com/mobile/article/...9-fadc92a0016d

This as expected pretty much blows up the “doctor’s” speech.

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