Politics Thread

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AviatorX

The "impeachment was a distraction" line of thinking is quite something. How can that even be something people actually think? If you're the POTUS, the buck stops with you, no matter what else is going on personal or professional, fair or unfair. That shouldn't be controversial. It's kind of part of the job description that comes with leader of the free world, no matter what letter is beside your name and no matter opposition party tactics.

Jesus.

---

Except that Impeachment has only been used two other times in American History. It's not exactly common and how much attention is a President supposed to parcel out to it? When his job is on the line? Even with that, there was still more action taken than your boy Demnted "Xenophobic" Joe would have taken.

Your discounting of the ridiculous process and the flimsy premise that it was based upon....as flimsy as the Steele Dossier that started the entire Mueller probe is disingenuous at best and just plain disgusting at worst.

Jesus....In Spades.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozehound

That's pretty much my stance. It's amazing how some of these people simultaneously have complete trust in this guy while also apparently having a pretty low opinion of his discipline and overall ability. If he can't do his job while there is an impeachment trial going on then he shouldn't be the President. Not only that, but he knew from Day 1 that the Senate wasn't going to convict so it was pretty low stakes for him. Part of being an executive (of pretty much any kind, really) is never having job security and regularly making decisions that could cost you your job. If you can't do those things, you don't get to be an executive. Unless you inherit a company and a bunch of money from your Dad or something...

---

Talk about having a "pretty low opinion of his discipline and overall ability". The opposition party will nominate a Dementia Laden groper who won't be able to put a coherent sentence together without a TelePrompTer and has such a lack of discipline that he can't keep his ham hands of women at best and is a rapist at worst. That's the best that they can do? Hell, they only had 24,375 candidates to choose from, from all races and genders, and they decide on an old decrepit white guy who they are holding back away from the press so he won't embarrass himself with his statements. Gawd Forbid that he contribute anything to ideas about what to do about this current issue. He won't because he can't.

Accept the fact that Before this current issue, despite a snarky press and rigged calls for "investigations", this country was doing just fine with economic opportunity for all population segments, The trash in the Middle East was being taken out, bad trade deals were being reversed and despite all the hyped up threats in the press, the country was at peace. Trump's gonna win a second term.

But go ahead and revel in your Trump Derangememt Syndrome...about equivalent to Biden Dementia Syndrome.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Except that Impeachment has only been used two other times in American History. It's not exactly common and how much attention is a President supposed to parcel out to it? When his job is on the line? Even with that, there was still more action taken than your boy Demnted "Xenophobic" Joe would have taken.

Your discounting of the ridiculous process and the flimsy premise that it was based upon....as flimsy as the Steele Dossier that started the entire Mueller probe is disingenuous at best and just plain disgusting at worst.

Jesus....In Spades.

---

Yes, I am 100% discounting whether the premise was strong, flimsy, whatever. It doesn't matter if I think impeachment was the dumbest political event in a generation. I expect the President of the United States to be able to do their job no matter what is happening politically or personally. I do not think that's a high bar at all.

Just for the sake of conversation, let's say there were concrete actions Trump could have taken while the impeachment process was ongoing that would have impacted the severity of the pandemic. Is your position that it's acceptable for Trump to not have been taken these actions because he was focused on impeachment? That's ridiculous. Switch Trumps name out with anyone and a pandemic for any negative event impactng our country and I would firmly say that is absolutely an insane position.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AviatorX

Yes, I am 100% discounting whether the premise was strong, flimsy, whatever. It doesn't matter if I think impeachment was the dumbest political event in a generation. I expect the President of the United States to be able to do their job no matter what is happening politically or personally. I do not think that's a high bar at all.

Just for the sake of conversation, let's say there were concrete actions Trump could have taken while the impeachment process was ongoing that would have impacted the severity of the pandemic. Is your position that it's acceptable for Trump to not have been taken these actions because he was focused on impeachment? That's ridiculous. Switch Trumps name out with anyone and a pandemic for any negative event impactng our country and I would firmly say that is absolutely an insane position.

---

Ok, you tell me what "concrete actions" he should have taken, with your rear view mirror clairvoyance, since you are so smart. You seem to have it all figured out. The first case of Covid19 in the US wasn't reported until January 21 per the NE Journal of Medicine-that in Washington state. Trump stopped flights from China on January 31, within hours after the WHO finally declared a Public Health Emergency. China kept important information from the world and was even hoo dooing the WHO. Trump was called a Xenophobic racist for stopping flights from China in late Jamuary and there was absolutely no panic from the Left. So I'm sure you, in all your infinite and clairvoyant wisdom would have shut down the economy on January 10 or 20the before there was even a case? That is the ultimate Monday morning quarterbacking, baby. Perfect 20/20 hindsight.

The impeachment trial in the Senate was going on all through January because stupid Pelosi never sent the charges over when she should have so it could have been discharged quickly. You know when the Senate voted to acquit? February 5. So while the Impeachment was at its peak in the Senate, Trump DID take actions to try to minimize this virus here. So you just seem to forget all about that, huh?

I pointed out in the Covid thread that despite the media hyperbole, the deaths per million in the US is not even in the top ten of world countries- and that over half of the deaths are in two states- one of which the Mayor of the Largest city was telling people to "live their lives" while he was on his way to the gym. I'm not saying Trump has been perfect in this , but there has been a helluva lot more done, in the face of a once a century political theatre event than you haters want to give credit for.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Ok, you tell me what "concrete actions" he should have taken, with your rear view mirror clairvoyance, since you are so smart. You seem to have it all figured out. The first case of Covid19 in the US wasn't reported until January 21 per the NE Journal of Medicine-that in Washington state. Trump stopped flights from China on January 31, within hours after the WHO finally declared a Public Health Emergency. China kept important information from the world and was even hoo dooing the WHO. Trump was called a Xenophobic racist for stopping flights from China in late Jamuary and there was absolutely no panic from the Left. So I'm sure you, in all your infinite and clairvoyant wisdom would have shut down the economy on January 10 or 20the before there was even a case? That is the ultimate Monday morning quarterbacking, baby. Perfect 20/20 hindsight.

The impeachment trial in the Senate was going on all through January because stupid Pelosi never sent the charges over when she should have so it could have been discharged quickly. You know when the Senate voted to acquit? February 5. So while the Impeachment was at its peak in the Senate, Trump DID take actions to try to minimize this virus here. So you just seem to forget all about that, huh?

I pointed out in the Covid thread that despite the media hyperbole, the deaths per million in the US is not even in the top ten of world countries- and that over half of the deaths are in two states- one of which the Mayor of the Largest city was telling people to "live their lives" while he was on his way to the gym. I'm not saying Trump has been perfect in this , but there has been a helluva lot more done, in the face of a once a century political theatre event than you haters want to give credit for.

---

Go back and re read my post. I’m not criticizing or praising Trump. Just saying the idea that he was too busy dealing with impeachment is laughably stupid. Predictably, you beat the hell out of that straw man.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I was just checking recent odds to maybe place a bet and here is updated odds from a recent Forbes article.

Odds to be Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee

Kamala Harris: 7/4
Amy Klobuchar: 7/2
Elizabeth Warren: 11/2
Gretchen Whitmer: 15/2
Stacey Abrams: 11/1
Catherine Cortez Masto: 14/1
Michelle Obama: 16/1
Hilary Clinton: 16/1
Tammy Duckworth: 20/1
Val Demings: 25/1

Odds to Win 2020 U.S. Presidential Election:

Donald Trump: 5/6
Joe Biden: 6/5

---

Odds at my book. Dem VP:

Harris +100
Warren +275
Klobuchar +400
M. Obama +800
Whitmer +800
Abrams +1200
Masto +2000
H. Clinton +2500
Baldwin +3300
Demings +4000
Duckworth +5000
B. Obama +5000

Odds to win Presidential Election:

Republican -115
Democrat -105

Trump -145
Biden +125

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AviatorX

Go back and re read my post. I’m not criticizing or praising Trump. Just saying the idea that he was too busy dealing with impeachment is laughably stupid. Predictably, you beat the hell out of that straw man.

---

I read every word of your post. You can't refute a single thing I said, so you resort to name calling- Which is typical and laughably stupid, Pot.

You inferred the President didn't do his job during a once a century political earthquake. I just showed you that he did, and probably could have done more analysis and study to take more action if he wasn't distracted by a sham, partisan clown show by Schiff & Pelosi.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Juice

Here's is my favorite under the radar story going on in Ohio right now:

A Federal Super PAC Has Spent $321,821 on Alice DeWine’s Prosecutor Race in Greene County

https://theohiostar.com/2020/04/25/a...greene-county/

---

In my opinion this type of thing is the single biggest problem with Politics in America right now. If you removed all the money, the donations, and the quid pro quo bullshit we would have a much more effective system. I'd like to see strict guidelines that dramatically limit donations as well as a lifetime ban on politicians leaving office and becoming lobbyists or otherwise receiving money / jobs from corporations that they had the ability to benefit while in office.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Masterofreality

I read every word of your post. You can't refute a single thing I said, so you resort to name calling- Which is typical and laughably stupid, Pot.

You inferred the President didn't do his job during a once a century political earthquake. I just showed you that he did, and probably could have done more analysis and study to take more action if he wasn't distracted by a sham, partisan clown show by Schiff & Pelosi.

---

Maybe you need to read it out loud? Or nice and slow? I haven’t weighed in at all on the merits of impeachment or Trump’s actions. You were the one who implied there was more Trump could have done in post #5532 but the administration was too focused on impeachment.

I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Even if I thought Trump was 100% on point with his actions to combat the pandemic from start to finish, I would still think it’s monumentally stupid to offer up the thought/potential excuse that impeachment was a distraction that prevented the administration from giving full attention to more pressing matters.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Talk about having a "pretty low opinion of his discipline and overall ability". The opposition party will nominate a Dementia Laden groper who won't be able to put a coherent sentence together without a TelePrompTer and has such a lack of discipline that he can't keep his ham hands of women at best and is a rapist at worst. That's the best that they can do? Hell, they only had 24,375 candidates to choose from, from all races and genders, and they decide on an old decrepit white guy who they are holding back away from the press so he won't embarrass himself with his statements. Gawd Forbid that he contribute anything to ideas about what to do about this current issue. He won't because he can't.

Accept the fact that Before this current issue, despite a snarky press and rigged calls for "investigations", this country was doing just fine with economic opportunity for all population segments, The trash in the Middle East was being taken out, bad trade deals were being reversed and despite all the hyped up threats in the press, the country was at peace. Trump's gonna win a second term.

But go ahead and revel in your Trump Derangememt Syndrome...about equivalent to Biden Dementia Syndrome.

---

Holy moly. Lots of reaching in this post.

You would actually have a point if I was blindly extolling the virtues of Joe Biden, or even extolling his virtues at all. Which I haven't done, nor have I heard a lot of others do for that matter. The strength (or lack thereof) of the Democratic candidates in the upcoming election has no bearing on any criticism of how Trump is doing the job right now.

You (and many others) seem to pick political sides and support them as if they were a sports team. It's actually easy (and frightening) to see how a potential descent into totalitarianism would with when interacting with people that think like you do.