Covid-19

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sure, and there are age groups where it is unnecessary.

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If you care about herd immunity and eradication then it is necessary to immunize as many people as quickly as possible regardless of their risk for complications from the disease. That’s why we are in the slow burn, not enough immunity early on and variants are emerging. That goes for the world not just the US.

If you don’t care about that herd immunity then it is unnecessary and to which I assume you are in the extreme end of the individualist-communalism/common good spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

If you care about herd immunity and eradication then it is necessary to immunize as many people as quickly as possible regardless of their risk for complications from the disease. That’s why we are in the slow burn, not enough immunity early on and variants are emerging. That goes for the world not just the US.

If you don’t care about that herd immunity then it is unnecessary and to which I assume you are in the extreme end of the individualist-communalism/common good spectrum.

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At what % do we reach herd immunity?

FWIW, I’m happy to be as far away from communism/authoritarianism as possible.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

At what % do we reach herd immunity?

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Depends on transmissibility. The higher the transmissibility rate the higher the number needed. Most likely 80% or more.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Depends on transmissibility. The higher the transmissibility rate the higher the number needed. Most likely 80% or more.

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And how do you reach this conclusion? What is the current vax % plus natural immunity?

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And how do you reach this conclusion? What is the current vax % plus natural immunity?

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Epidemiologist formula which is not exact. Really it’s probably more like 90+% but there isn’t much data because the variants transmissibility is changing. Delta really driving this number up.

Regarding how many people have immunity is a moving target. We have something like 50% of the population fully vaccinated. Some people have both natural and vaccine immunity. Some people just have natural immunity. I’m not sure there’s a way to know. Further, immunity from both wanes over time and until we have an accurate antibody test to determine what level of antibodies is considered immune it could continue to be guesswork and booster shot(s).

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Epidemiologist formula which is not exact. Really it’s probably more like 90+% but there isn’t much data because the variants transmissibility is changing. Delta really driving this number up.

Regarding how many people have immunity is a moving target. We have something like 50% of the population fully vaccinated. Some people have both natural and vaccine immunity. Some people just have natural immunity. I’m not sure there’s a way to know. Further, immunity from both wanes over time and until we have an accurate antibody test to determine what level of antibodies is considered immune it could continue to be guesswork and booster shot(s).

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So, no one knows but they know we must or else get a shot (that has breakthrough cases) because why exactly?

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So, no one knows but they know we must or else get a shot (that has breakthrough cases) because why exactly?

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Just because the exact number isn’t know doesn’t mean it isn’t attainable. The longer this goes on the higher chance we have another breakthrough variant.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Just because the exact number isn’t know doesn’t mean it isn’t attainable. The longer this goes on the higher chance we have another breakthrough variant.

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Or not. We must mandate because something might happen when we don’t know how it works now is a poor argument for mandates.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Or not. We must mandate because something might happen when we don’t know how it works now is a poor argument for mandates.

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The odds of there being no more variants are probably as close to zero as you can get.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

The odds of there being no more variants are probably as close to zero as you can get.

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Likely, however so is the chance the current vaccine/therapy will stop them (breakthroughs, diminished immunity).

You’re still not addressing why everyone must get them. I’m all for the vax but you/the Gov’t are going to have to work harder to explain why everyone must have them.

And no. Because me and my college educated social club think so isn’t going to fly with many Americans.