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My 92 year old mother is losing her marbles over all of this. She sends a morning “I’m alive” email to the kids, and she goes on and on and on..... It’s really a problem and we are all trying talk her off the ledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
Where are the daily numbers for Ohio? Not doing those anymore?
Uh, once George Floyd was murdered the coronavirus disappeared. Don't you watch the news?Quote:
Originally Posted by nuts4xu
Nah. Coronavirus is suspended until the protest and riots are over. Scheduled to resume the fear mongering in the fall. Should last right until after the election. If Trump loses it will be all peace and harmony and it will be safe again to go outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuts4xu
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/por.../covid-19/homeQuote:
Originally Posted by nuts4xu
Updated yesterday at 2pm. Assume it will be updated again today at 2pm.
Saw a meme that said the Coronavirus should be renamed the Cotton-eyed Joe Virus because where did it come from, where did it go?
The lockdowns were a disaster. Totally destroyed the economy, small businesses, millions of livelihoods, etc.
Just like there was going to be a HUGE spike after the beaches were reopened, I'm sure that there will be a huge spike after zero social distancing and mediocre mask wearing at the insurrections........uh, wait......
(Apologies to Lamont who I just saw made the same point previously)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-lan...dies-covid-19/Quote:
The authors of two major medical studies on coronavirus patients— including one that raised global concerns about the use of the hydroxychloroquine — retracted their papers on Thursday. The journals that published the studies said the authors were unable to get full access to the database behind their work to verify the raw data.
Huh, I wonder if the follow the science crowd is still following the science.
Norway, with a couple hundred deaths is saying perhaps they should have not locked down so hard.
Sweden with almost 4,600 deaths is saying perhaps they should have locked down more.
I would certainly hope so. The day we stop listening to science is the day that "alternative facts" become real. BTW, did you read the article you cited, or just the headline?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Experts reviewed the work, raised questions, and when those questions couldn’t be answered, it was retracted, which will likely spur more research into the question. Seems like a pretty good systemQuote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Yeah I don’t get why people are so confused by how science works?Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
“They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis.”
Why was it published without that audit?
4,231 cases in last 3 days in Fl. New Record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-coll...s&page=1&pos=8
“As team sports return, so does the coronavirus”
“ But just this past week, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Marshall, Mississippi and Alabama disclosed multiple positive cases among athletes and athletic personnel. Arkansas also reported one athlete had contracted Covid-19 and is isolating off campus.”
Isn’t that expected as well due to more testing? And with it being no big deal to protest in mass, which I agree with, then the whole thing has been an overreaction. As long as we protect the nursing homes we all should be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
I have a lot of concerns here as well. When the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine retract articles because the authors can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources, it’s a big f’ing deal. Think about it, how many clinical trials were halted because of unsubstantiated data? If it had shown any benefit for Covid, how many patients were denied this treatment? How patients were taken off this drug with other disease states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Hopefully this might answer some questions on how studies are reviewed.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ld-this-happen
It’s hard to protect the nursing homes mostly from the people who work in them. In Ohio the national guard is starting to test every nursing home employee. But there isn’t a clear plan for after the test. One test doesn’t do a whole lot (other than catch the positive people in that moment) it’s just a snapshot in time. It’s probably not feasible to do daily testing. They might try weekly testing. Hopefully we can keep getting results quicker. The quickest we have gotten back is in about 6 hours but most of them are still take 48 hours before we find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
You can’t tell nursing home employees what to do in their personal lives but hopefully they are taking more precautions than the average person knowing the vulnerable group they work with.
Because it fit the desired narrative? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
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https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a...ut-of-thin-air
The CBS article doesn't give justice to how bad that study was
Shameful. No words. Well, any of you liberal nut jobs remorseful over this, or are you still enjoying ANTIFA’s constructive expression?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueX
Take it and wash it down with bleach. Who cares?
Can we confirm Dr. Desai and his company (allegedly) extrapolated data to fit a narrative? It’s shameful regardless of reason but I have a difficult time coming to the conclusion that it was a left wing conspiracy job. It seems to me it was not that dissimilar to those buying masks and selling them for profit as he has a company that is likely to profit from this (allegedly) fudged data.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
From what I’ve seen in real life HCQ is still being used in the community for this, and hospital treatments have advanced nicely. I don’t think anyone condones falsified data, especially The Lancet and NEJM.
Some great news on Covid-19, amidst all the hell our country is going though. Apparently all those people piled on each other at Lake of the Ozarks: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/memorial-day-lake-of-the-ozarks-crowd-reportedly-led-to-no-new-covid-19-cases
There are also multiple reports around the globe suggesting the virus is becoming less virulant.
Good thing, because around here we've been acting like it's becoming less virulent. Not based on any evidence or anything. just because.
Although most places have seen a slight rise in cases over the last few weeks, it certainly seems less virulent regionally. Not so much in South America, they are in a battle. Perhaps it mutates for the better over time, as viral load numbers are typically lower than they were 2 months ago.
Not just Kansas. Last week we had 20 kids playing tag at a neighbors house. None of the parents felt super great about it, but we also didn't stop them from playing. They are kids and they needed it. This weekend we had a neighbor come over to use the slip-n-slide with our kids. I spent the weekend volunteering at our neighborhood swim club getting it ready to open (hopefully in the next week or two). One guy was wearing a mask. People generally practiced social distancing (kind of), but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
I was / am taking this pretty seriously, but I also am far less worried about transmission outside in the summer than I am indoors. I'll still avoid indoor gatherings and wear masks when shopping etc. but I'm going with the assumption that the risk of outdoor transmission is reasonably low.
A recent study in the Ozarks seems to support that theory :)
Per Jack Windsor of WMFD, Mansfield, there have been more deaths from flu in the 12 weeks since the Ohio lockdown began than from reported Covid19.
Also, the median age of Covid victims has been 81 years old. The actual average life expectancy in Ohio is 77.5.
Thanks for nothing DeWActon.
By the way. Windsor is a fine follow on Twitter.
Do you have a link for this? It would be very interesting as we have not seen the flu since the end of March. So 3 weeks of flu deaths would have to exceed 2200 or whatever we are at now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Saw my doc today for a routine physical. He thinks that the shutdown was right, but probably "overdone" to err on the side of caution. As he says, covid can't be both more lethal and more contagious than the regular flu. If it's more contagious, there have to be orders of magnitude more cases than are measured. But if that is true, the lethality rate is orders of magnitude less than predicted. On the other hand, if the lethality is anywhere near what was predicted, than there can't be many people out there who were/are sick but not measured. But if that's the case, covid isn't nearly as contagious as predicted. The only way that both predictions could be correct is that both covid incidence and deaths are vastly undercounted...a possibility. But in his view, that isn't nearly as likely as the other alternatives. As we learn more, I am guessing that it will be shown to be very contagious, but not very lethal. Time will tell.
That said, I still support what was done here in Ohio, because we knew so little and were so unprepared for the worst case scenarios. Now is the time to do the careful reopening that we are doing. It could go much faster if we could figure out a way to do MORE TESTING. Knowing who is sick and who is not will go a long way towards getting people to feel safe re-entering the world, and shutting down any nascent spikes that might occur from re-opening.
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Coronavirus patients without symptoms aren’t driving the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the disease could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...twitter%7CmainQuote:
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
I was told I was killing someone's grandma even though I might be asymptomatic.
Wow, the great news is piling up. With this being the case it makes managing spread simple - just stay home if you’re sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Here: WMFD.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
https://www.wmfd.com/article/-are-se...ointment-/4047
Ok thanks... I think you need to read it again. “more deaths from flu in the 12 weeks since the Ohio lockdown began” (your words) is not what this blog post says. “Ohio is entering the 12th week of Coronavirus restrictions. The Ohio Department of Health traced the first case of COVID-19 to January 2. Over the 160 days since the virus has been recorded in Ohio, the Ohio Department of Health claims 2,155 Coronavirus deaths have occurred. Non-COVID deaths in Ohio in 2020 total 44,735, influenza accounting for 2,238 of those deaths.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Actual flu deaths are nearly impossible to know as they are estimated. But the CDC tracks/estimates it as “Flu/Pneumonia” deaths which makes it even more complicated. Average number of “Flu/Pneumonia” deaths annually in Ohio is somewhere between 2000-2500. It’s all on the CDC website. When it’s all said and done COVID deaths will pile up way higher than flu deaths and it won’t be close. Does that even matter now? No, nobody that is reasonable is clamoring for more restrictions on the general public. What really makes this particular topic difficult is that you have sensationalism from both parameters that seem believable. In the instance of this blog article, data is molded to make this equivalent to the flu solely based on deaths. And even then the deaths are lumped in with pneumonia deaths, but we aren’t told that while reading the article because there are zero sources linked. (Red flag)
You can easily find many stories from the other side of the table showing how terrible the disease is and in many ways not painting an accurate picture of who this truly affects. Fake news everywhere, which is quite sad.
It still says that. Just that it doesn’t happen as often as those that are symptomatic. The source of this quote clarifies this statement on twitter some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
https://mobile.twitter.com/mvankerkhove
“additional points: In these data, it is impt to breakdown truly asymptomatic vs pre-symptomatic vs mildly symptomatic also to note that the % reported or estimated to be "asymptomatic" is not the same as the % that are asymptomatic that actually transmit.”
Yes,‘it’s fairly obvious the “main driver” in disease transmission is sick people. But to give a subjective “rare”’classification may be misinterpreting data. There is plenty of data to suggest a symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission occurs.
This will likely eradicate the illness. Getting people to stay home when sick is not easy at all. Take out the choice of make money and potentially spread vsQuote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
stay home and not get paid and we may have serious progress without closing businesses, schools, etc.
WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown
“ Studies show that about 16% of the population may be asymptomatic, she said. Some models developed by other scientists suggest as much as 40% of global transmission may be due to asymptomatic individuals, she said, clarifying her comments.
“Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn’t include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here,” Kerkhove said.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-...l-unknown.html
As usual with this, clarification further muddies the waters.
Is there really any debate as to why Trump is right to want to pull back on funding of the WHO?!? Buncha buffoons.
Fauci - "worst nightmare"
Just read that Dr. Amy Acton is stepping down as Director of Health in Ohio. Hip hip hooray!
However, Dewine talked her into staying on as a Chief Health advisor to him.