Colossal dupe of the century by far.....
We should never let the government do this to us again!!!!!
Far more pain and suffering will come as the result of the economic fallout, loss of companies, jobs etc
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Colossal dupe of the century by far.....
We should never let the government do this to us again!!!!!
Far more pain and suffering will come as the result of the economic fallout, loss of companies, jobs etc
yep, 0 to 15 was slightly off the mark.
Now the spin is...the second wave is going to be so bad blah blah blah...
Just so hard for the medical community and politicians to admit they were wrong....shocking.
Has anyone seen anything about the Florida Health Department COVID-19 database “scandal”? I’ve followed this from the beginning, and it has been wild. It started out simple enough, with an article detailing suspected cases of COVID-19 in Florida dating back to December: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/sta...242480931.html. A “by the way” in the article mentions differences in data sets the Miami Herald downloaded on 4/27 and 5/1.
That must have been enough blood in the water to start a media feeding frenzy, and they came across Rebekah Jones, who put together the Florida Health Department’s GIS COVID-19 tracking site. She was fired in early May, and this comes out on 5/19: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5218897002/
It’s a mainstream media dream - they have a Trump ally (DeSantis) manipulating data to reopen the State before it was safe to do so, and a martyr fired for trying to stop these atrocities!
This story gave no detail on what these manipulations were, and how they would impact the data interpretation, so I did some digging and found this: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...r-emails-show/. In short, there was an “Event Date” field in the database that listed the date the symptoms began. Because those cases from December were older and somewhat speculative, they took the field down to corroborate. There is no logical connection to how that would help the State reopen, but that didn’t stop the media. Ms. Jones was talking to anyone who would listen about how she was fired because she wouldn't go along with the "data manipulations" asked of her, including a lengthy interview on CNN.
A couple days ago, I found an article in a right leaning source discrediting her: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/...-its-all-fake/. It presents some character-damaging claims, but some are debatable.
Then today, this comes out: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ree-times.html. You have to give it to the Brits - their journalists dig DEEP. Several years ago she has an affair with a student while she’s a graduate TA at LSU, gets pregnant, and has the student’s baby. When he breaks it off with her, she vandalizes his car and was arrested and fired. She then writes a 342-page manifesto detailing their exploits, then posts some revenge porn for which she is currently facing charges. Along the way she tried filing several lawsuits against the student, which were all promptly thrown out. This woman is certifiable bat-shit crazy!
So not only did the media grab on to a non-issue, but they hung their narrative on a nut-job. I’ll be on the lookout for the mainstream media issuing a retraction and apologizing to DeSantis.
I doubted her story from the beginning. It fit too nicely into what the media wanted. I've also read somewhere that her role in developing the site was vastly overstated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Yeah that was the Tallahassee Reports site I mentioned above. The part about her role with the website is kind of fake news from the other side, to be fair. Yes it was a commercially available software package, but she had the lead in the data organization and presentation for the State. It was certainly not a data entry job the way that source portrayed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
As an update, this story has been reported (so far) by the NY Post and Fox & CBS affiliates. Naturally the CBS story was watered down. It’s sad we can’t trust news sources to be fair, complete and accurate.
On a separate but related note, God do I need sports back!
I basically like Mike DeWine, but his handling of this after Easter has been disingenuous at best and deceptive at worst.
https://www.wmfd.com/article/governo...-policies/3899
Very interesting read. I hope he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
The amazing thing to me is that there is “Major Market Media” in this state between Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati, not to mention Toledo, Dayton and Youngstown with TV stations. But it took a guy from Mansfield to ask and investigate this solicitous Clown Show and write an incisive and damning piece about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-man
Our major market dupes have been cowards in challenging this State Administration about their actions and acted like quiet sheep just following the Shepherd without. a bleat.
There's all sorts of problems with the last few months. Numbers not being reported correctly, estimations of impact wildly wrong, lack of necessary equipment...and the list goes on.
Since we just passed 100,000 deaths in 3 months, I had a couple of thoughts that you guys can have a go at ripping up:
1 - That's more dead people than we lost in Vietnam and Korea combined
2 - We needed (and still need) a more coordinated national response
3 - I wish the president was more sensitive to the losses many have experienced, rather than worrying about his tweets and attacking other people
4 - People say we lose 30-50,000 every year to the flu; only 45% of adults get a flu shot. Think we could bring those numbers down if people got vaccinated?
5 - 35 million + people are out of work. Nothing like that in our lifetimes. I think it'll take a long time to recover.
6 - We have 4% of the world's population, but 28% of the world's deaths from the virus
I hope you and your families are safe, and it won't be long until we can get back to talking basketball.
Everyday, there are literally multiple articles that contradict each other, or contradict common conceptions that have been communicated. I have a level of skepticism in pretty much all of this.
Yeah, you have sensationalism, fear porn and political bias from the MSM/left. That is counteracted by conspiracies, poo-pooing it, and another political bias from the right. It’s the pendulum effect in full display. Whatever you read, keep in mind the “slant”, and invest some time looking at the data, trends, and correlations. They reveal a lot more than words.Quote:
Originally Posted by drudy23
As to contradicting common conceptions, keep in mind that our understanding of this is evolving rapidly, so that is to be expected. It’s a good thing!
Good points. I think this is an example of where our hyper-partisan political system is leading us. This think almost immediately turned from a public health issue into a political issue with both sides repeatedly doubling down on their bullshit. If you are on the left this is the end of days, one life lost is too many, and we should all stay home until we have a 100% effective vaccine. If you are on the right the entire thing is 100% fake and concocted to take away their rights (as if the government wants to crash the economy). The reality, in my opinion, is that this is a complex public health issue that has not been managed particularly well by anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
I also think that a more effective and coordinated Federal response would have helped. For example: The Federal Government should have quickly put a plan in place to backstop the states (particularly hot zones) and move Ventilators and PPE around the country as needed to combat flare-ups and stop the feeding frenzy for supplies and hospital space.
Maybe it's just an East coast bias?
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/map-o...-covid-deaths/
[QUOTE=boozehound;676305]Good points. I think this is an example of where our hyper-partisan political system is leading us. This think almost immediately turned from a public health issue into a political issue with both sides repeatedly doubling down on their bullshit. If you are on the left this is the end of days, one life lost is too many, and we should all stay home until we have a 100% effective vaccine. If you are on the right the entire thing is 100% fake and concocted to take away their rights (as if the government wants to crash the economy). The reality, in my opinion, is that this is a complex public health issue that has not been managed particularly well by anybody.
I also think that a more effective and coordinated Federal response would have helped. For example: The Federal Government should have quickly put a plan in place to backstop the states (particularly hot zones) and move Ventilators and PPE around the country as needed to combat flare-ups and stop the feeding frenzy for supplies and hospital space.[/
The biggest mismanagement in my opinion was not protecting the elderly and people with compromised immune systems and shutting everyone down. I mean we were told millions would die. It’s not even close to that and to me that seems a success. Maybe if they would have just isolated older and health compromised people and took extreme caution with them, we would have cut the deaths by at least half if not more. Playing the Monday QB is always easier though.
I don't understand why this wouldn't be allowed if you were wearing a mask!!
https://10daily.com.au/news/world/a2...LqRb4Vn4Ef7i6M
[QUOTE=xavierj;676307]Welp. You can directly blame Cuomo for the nursing home debacle in New York.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
And, of course, there is the requisite "Blame the Federal Government" when the Federal Government is not run by the political party of your choice, so nice "Subtweet". Where was all the blame of Feds under the SARS epidemic under OBama? I'll bet none came from you.
Each state has their own different challenges and one size does not fit all. Why shut down North Dakota when New Yorks screws up? All the governors were given the same information and they had to make decisions. Some, like DeSantis, despite the criticism, made the right ones. Some like Cuomo, despite the media praise, and the incredible amount of, yeah, FEDERAL money, equipment and assistance, made wrong calls.
DeWine is half and half. Good start, bad longer term screwup. But see, that's State's rights and why the Governors are elected. They are the CEO's of their states. That is the Republic that we have.
The article I posted earlier came from a reporter from WFMD TV in Mansfield. I don't think that an NBC affiliate in that market would be expressing a bias. It seemed like straight down the line to me. But I agree with most of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
https://www.dispatch.com/news/202005...onrsquos-worst
I've been told that Dewine is an awesome leader who is handling this pandemic better than anyone...Quote:
Last month, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine set a goal to test 22,000 people for the novel coronavirus a day by May 27.
But Ohio is falling far short of that goal – ranging from 7,100 to nearly 12,800 tests per day as reported over the past two weeks, according to Ohio Department of Health figures.
In fact, Ohio has one of the worst COVID-19 testing rates in the nation: 2,826 tests per 100,000 residents, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
And this is why calls for a more "Federal Response" are misguided and only political.Quote:
Originally Posted by chico
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Every day that goes by DewActon look worse and worse.
The posts I were making back in early April pointing out the discrepancy in the "modeled" vs Factual numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths were designed to be canary in a coalmine type info. They were wrong and hiding the true numbers then, and now they are lying about what they have and would accomplish now. When is the major market media in this state going to start asking tough questions at these daily "Look At Me" press messes?
[QUOTE=Masterofreality;676309]Quote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
Twitter fact check: The SARS outbreak was under the Bush administration and killed approximately 0 US citizens.
Twitter fact check: The SARS outbreak was under the Bush administration and killed approximately 0 US citizens.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
Excuse me. H1N1. Novel Influenza. 2009.
My mistake.
I'll have to assume he meant H1N1.
Having watched enough Dewine pressers, that reporter certainly has an angle. Also I am not sure how much faith I put into a guy that regularly posts in his own fan club on Facebook. That being said, makes me happy that he gets to ask his questions, assures me that they are not censoring the questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Changes to the Xavier academic calendar:
Classes start a week earlier (August 17th). Adding class on Labor Day and eliminating Fall Break. Last day classes will meet is the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Finals will be online the week after Thanksgiving.
https://www.xavier.edu/coronavirus/
At this point, Commencement ceremony is going to take place live on August 8th. Hard to believe a lot of out of staters coming back for this one.
Moved my daughter out of her house yesterday (yes paid 3 months rent only to have her live at home) and was really sad to see her senior year end like this. Oh well, at least she got job while interviewing virtually during covid and starts next August (fingers crossed).
I'm ok with double checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
[QUOTE=Masterofreality;676309]I'm going to say this very slowly in hopes that you understand: I. Don't. Have. A. Political. Party. Of. Choice. I find it telling that you seem to be completely unable to understand that as a concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
Also, yes. I do completely blame Cuomo for the Nursing Home situation in New York and Murphy for the situation in New Jersey. You can hold opinions like that when you don't rely on being spoon fed your opinions from the media outlet of your choice.
As far as the Federal Government goes: I believe that their role is to ensure the greater good when necessary and subordinate to the states otherwise. Coordinating Pandemic response (along with natural disasters) falls under that umbrella for me.
It's also worth noting that states like New York and New Jersey pay billions more in federal taxes than they receive in benefit, so I don't really think they are 'on the dole' so to speak from the Feds.
Agreed, I was replying in general to Drudy’s comment and not on that article. The article you posted does show a problem I’ve brought up - this is not just a medical/health issue and the fact that Dewine seems to only be listening to Acton is a major failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
[QUOTE=boozehound;676325]Natural Disasters usually only affect 1-4 states at a time, not all 50. One size does not fit all, whether it be disasters or pandemics. The Governors of their own unique states are supposed to caretake that state. That is what this country was founded upon, not unchecked Federal power. . And as to your point about all the taxes NY and NJ pay, those two states received an outsized, uh, EXTREMELY outsized share of attention and assistance from the Feds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
By the way. Since you really like to subtweet. I don't watch any cable news and read stuff from many diverse outlets. I'm "spoon fed" nothing.
This is an article from Science magazine, primarily focused on how the virus spreads in the air.
Not any studies per se, but observations on what is going on and some history.
Some very interesting stuff, especially the idea of 6 feet of separation being from the 1930's, and perhaps not enough this time.
For a difference in response, they note:
New York State 20 million people, lock down approach, 24,000 deaths
Taiwan 24 million people, coordinated national response, no lockdown, everybody wearing masks....7 deaths.
https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abc6197
nb: yes, I still wear a mask in public; high risk group.
[QUOTE=Masterofreality;676329]What does attention and assistance mean? I'm talking purely financially - they pay more to the Federal Coffers than they receive.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
COVID basically affected 6 states: New York, New Jersey, Washington, California, Michigan, and Illinois. The overwhelming majority of the impact was in just NY and NJ. I don't think that helping to facilitate an agreement to share resources across state lines is 'unchecked Federal Power'. They don't need to pass any laws, just help to develop a framework for reciprocity. People obviously disagree on the role of the Federal Government vs. the States though, and that's fine.
I don't know what subtweet means.
It really seems like just wearing a damn mask might solve like 90% of our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
I will never understand how the hell it became a culture war issue. Just this morning Trump was tweeting out articles that were claiming mask wearing is based on government control, giving credit and amplifying a message that directly contradicts his own guidance on COVID19.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
It just seems like such an easy win for him. I just don't see the political downside for him supporting mask wearing, and I think there is a good amount of upside (look at Dewine's approval ratings rise).
I agree. I also think it was a problem that they told everybody NOT to wear masks for the first 2 months of the outbreak. I never understood that one. How could it hurt? They were so worried about people buying up all the masks that they let it get in the way of good policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Think you got your answer if you stop thereQuote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Good article and thanks for posting. However, the article really brings some questions and concerns to light. Can’t believe the the WHO guidelines had to use 1930 data. Well since science is settled, I’m sure it’s all applicable today. On a serious note, with the SARS and swine flu (any novel or flu virus really), might be a good time to analyze how things our transmitted for the future vs relying on 1930 data. Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Quote I like from the article. “Given how little is known about the production and airborne behavior of infectious respiratory droplets, it is difficult to define a safe distance for social distancing.”
A few weeks ago the NBC Nightly news had a piece on reactions since partial openings. They reported that Georgia cases had “surged 64% since partial re-openings” with a giant red arrow pointing straight up. What? I’m looking at the chart and the peak was in the distant past and cases were dropping sharply as seen on the 7 day moving average of the number of cases. But THAT doesn’t scare anyone! Oh, OK, the total number of cases was more than it was at the time of reopening, but let’s just twist things around to deliberately mislead people to keep them tuned for more news. Total horse shit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news-full-episodes
About the 5:30 mark.
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But that's a great reason to be wearing a mask, especially indoors. It sure seems to have worked for Taiwan.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs