Covid-19

Huh? Trump said the testing is going very smoothly.

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Originally Posted by drudy23

You don't get it dude. Those that don't get it, which is most, will extend this to a 3 month event instead of a 3 week event. Get yourself educated on what is going on here.

It's not about the severity of the virus, it's about limiting exposure and reach. This can be done in 3-4 weeks, or can still be around in the summer. Our choice.

I have little faith in humanity. The more people you come in contact with, the greater chance you will get or give this virus to someone else. Social distancing isn't to ensure you don't die, it's to ensure this doesn't expand.

4 cases have been confirmed in Ohio; however, the estimate is that 100,000+ people are carrying it (and likely don't even know it). The more people expose themselves to more people, the longer this lasts, the more become infected, the longer we sit in our houses, and the more people die.

Do your part and limit your exposure to other people. By far the best article I've read on this is below. It's long and detailed, but shows the impact of not putting in these measures. To put it bluntly, if we don't follow this distancing advice, we're screwed, and the government will be forced to intervene with measures like we've seen in Italy.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca

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Amen!

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Originally Posted by noteggs

I think some may be downplaying the virus but also see people putting things in perspective. Big difference IMO. Like the vast majority of things, I tend to let people feel the way they want. However, doesn’t stop me from giving them my opinion lol.

On a personal note, completely understand why you may take certain precautions because of what you went through last year and having a young family. Hope you’re doing well.

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Thank you I appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Perhaps Melania is hoping for the sweet release of death.

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Made me chuckle.

Public reps as the man, or virus, or whatever is keeping me down.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

There are increased reports locally here (via cleveland ER personnel I trust) of people claiming travel to know countries or contact with positively tested individual in order to receive testing. Urgent cares and ERs are denying tests in some the most logical of scenarios to test because the ODH has actually denied testing and refused to run tests sent. I am not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but this is testing suppression for no logical reason.

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I am in healthcare. I know numerous people who have symptoms and are very appropriate for testing that can not get tested.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Huh? Trump said the testing is going very smoothly.

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Yeah what a crock of shit.

Vegas trip cancelled. I hate you coronavirus!

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Vegas trip cancelled. I hate you coronavirus!

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Shhhhh, I suggest you not make it mad at you.....


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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

COVID- confirmed in Cincinnati. Family of 4 quarantined at home.

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What does "quarantined at home" mean? Are they being locked in with armed guards keeping them from walking out? That's the image in my mind. When this story came out, it said they were "treated and released". That conjures images in my mind of the doctors saying, "go home, rest and drink plenty of fluids".

These are the first four cases within a 100+ square mile range. There is not an issue with hospital bed space. If this is so serious, why not quarantine them at the hospital where they can be cared for and provided for? Sending them home means they can expose others when going to the grocery, etc.

Why did the narrative change from "treated and released" to "quarantined at home"?

Look, I agree we need to slow the spread by "lowering the curve", but there are some strange things going on in the media... I smell a rat.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

What does "quarantined at home" mean? Are they being locked in with armed guards keeping them from walking out? That's the image in my mind. When this story came out, it said they were "treated and released". That conjures images in my mind of the doctors saying, "go home, rest and drink plenty of fluids".

These are the first four cases within a 100+ square mile range. There is not an issue with hospital bed space. If this is so serious, why not quarantine them at the hospital where they can be cared for and provided for? Sending them home means they can expose others when going to the grocery, etc.

Why did the narrative change from "treated and released" to "quarantined at home"?

Look, I agree we need to slow the spread by "lowering the curve", but there are some strange things going on in the media... I smell a rat.

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Yes the rat you smell is preventing testing and actual data. It’s pretty obvious at this point. Nobody is going to actually be quarantined in the hospital for this, it’s not the plague so a self-quarantine is appropriate.

Quick...Someone cue the Mugato crazy pills gif

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

What does "quarantined at home" mean? Are they being locked in with armed guards keeping them from walking out? That's the image in my mind. When this story came out, it said they were "treated and released". That conjures images in my mind of the doctors saying, "go home, rest and drink plenty of fluids".

These are the first four cases within a 100+ square mile range. There is not an issue with hospital bed space. If this is so serious, why not quarantine them at the hospital where they can be cared for and provided for? Sending them home means they can expose others when going to the grocery, etc.

Why did the narrative change from "treated and released" to "quarantined at home"?

Look, I agree we need to slow the spread by "lowering the curve", but there are some strange things going on in the media... I smell a rat.

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Really? You find this confusing?

Firstly, if you are sick, or even if you are NOT, a hospital is the worst place to be. If you don’t need hospital care, go home and stop mingling with the general population. They trust you not to need “armed guards” to do the right thing. “Treated and released” conjures up no biggie, they’re better. NOT the case. Home quarantine means being sensible. Pretty simple, really.

As for the 4 cases in 100 miles, they are the 4 confirmed cases, in a time when almost nobody is actually being tested. We have no idea how many cases it is. It may be 4, or 40 or 400 or more. That’s how it works. Often the symptoms are minimal, until it spreads to Gramma and it kills her and 23 other people in her nursing home.

Sending them home means if they are irresponsible they might harm others. Keeping them at the hospital means they are constantly around countless people already in a compromised state, not to mention the vital healthcare workers we count upon. PLUS, there just plain not be enough room.

Look, it’s complicated, and I’m listening to a lot of very smart and qualified people on this issue. I’m taking the conservative approach for now. That’s me, feel free to be you.

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Originally Posted by bjf123

I’ll probably get flamed for this, but I really think the media in the US is doing everything they can to make this hurt the economy and therefore hurt Trump’s chances at reelection. They know Bernie can’t win, and doubt Biden can win. The worse this is, the more it hurts Trump.


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So do you think Italy is in cahoots with the media, and...are locking down their entire country...to hurt Trump's re-election chances??

I'm also a little surprised at some of the nonchalance of people surrounding this. This is not a 2-3 week inconvenience, this is going to be a 4-6 month process (at least).

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

What does "quarantined at home" mean? Are they being locked in with armed guards keeping them from walking out? That's the image in my mind. When this story came out, it said they were "treated and released". That conjures images in my mind of the doctors saying, "go home, rest and drink plenty of fluids".

These are the first four cases within a 100+ square mile range. There is not an issue with hospital bed space. If this is so serious, why not quarantine them at the hospital where they can be cared for and provided for? Sending them home means they can expose others when going to the grocery, etc.

Why did the narrative change from "treated and released" to "quarantined at home"?

Look, I agree we need to slow the spread by "lowering the curve", but there are some strange things going on in the media... I smell a rat.

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If they are dumb enough to leave their house then yes they will face a mandatory supervised quarantine. That’s what the idiot was threatened with who decided to go to a father daughter dance after quarantine.

This isn’t hard to understand. It’s not a conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by markchal

I'm also a little surprised at some of the nonchalance of people surrounding this. This is not a 2-3 week inconvenience, this is going to be a 4-6 month process (at least).

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Here is a simple reference of why social distancing and self-quarantine is vital to ending this pandemic as safely and quickly as possible:

People continue to congregate with groups and ignore other guidelines are increasing the risks of prolonging this situation and overwhelming the capacity of our healthcare system.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a6&oe=5E920D8B

One Lawyer infected 50 people in NY. No conspiracy....it's real.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

One Lawyer infected 50 people in NY. No conspiracy....it's real.

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Will they all sue him? He can represent them and get 50% of the settlement.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Vegas trip cancelled. I hate you coronavirus!

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Just as well. No sporting events to bet on.

What people need to realize is that once you have it, you are probably going to be fine, so...

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU ANYMORE!

Don't be an asshole!

Yeah, at this point I almost just want to get it, sit in my basement alone for two weeks and get it over with.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Yes the rat you smell is preventing testing and actual data. It’s pretty obvious at this point. Nobody is going to actually be quarantined in the hospital for this, it’s not the plague so a self-quarantine is appropriate.

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If this is as bad as what has been reported, I don't want infected people sent out in the public to do what they want. They still may decide to go to a store to get food, or they may decide to go to a father daughter dance. If this is as bad as the media is reporting, they should be kept at the hospital or a designated quarantine center.

The rat is the inconsitency here. Which way is it?

The other rat is the change in reporting. Did someone in the media decide "treated and released" was not sensationalistic enough? So it became "quarantined at home".

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

If this is as bad as what has been reported, I don't want infected people sent out in the public to do what they want. They still may decide to go to a store to get food, or they may decide to a father daughter dance. If this is as bad as the media is reporting, they should be kept at the hospital or a designated quarantine center.

The rat is the inconsitency here. Which way is it?

The other rat is the change in reporting. Did someone in the media decide "treated and released" was not sensationalistic enough? So it became "quarantined at home".

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What you are suggesting be done, unfortunately, is logistically impossible. We don't have the capacity or ability to quarantine every risk or exposure or even positive test. We as a society need to be responsible and follow the instructions given to us by our healthcare providers/system. We have the most robust and scalable healthcare system in the world, but it would be overrun quickly if we tried to quarantine and hospitalize everyone. We need to buy time and let this burn out by limiting spread / exposure while we develop additional treatments or a vaccine.

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Originally Posted by xu82

Really? You find this confusing?

Firstly, if you are sick, or even if you are NOT, a hospital is the worst place to be. If you don’t need hospital care, go home and stop mingling with the general population. They trust you not to need “armed guards” to do the right thing. “Treated and released” conjures up no biggie, they’re better. NOT the case. Home quarantine means being sensible. Pretty simple, really.

As for the 4 cases in 100 miles, they are the 4 confirmed cases, in a time when almost nobody is actually being tested. We have no idea how many cases it is. It may be 4, or 40 or 400 or more. That’s how it works. Often the symptoms are minimal, until it spreads to Gramma and it kills her ar 23 people in her nursing home.

Sending them home means if they are irresponsible they might harm others. Keeping them at the hospital means they are constantly around countless people already in a compromised state, not to mention the vital healthcare workers we count upon.

Look, it’s complicated, and I’m listening to a lot of very smart and qualified people on this issue. I’m taking the conservative approach for now. That’s me, feel free to be you.

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First bold: that makes zero sense. A hospital is the worst place to be if you're sick?
Second bold: that is exactly what I'm saying. In this case "treated and released" is the same as "quarantined at home". The first media release said "treated and released", then it later became "quarantined at home".

Finally, you say it's complicated, then self-righteously say you have all the answers because you listen to "smart and qualified medical people". My sister, who is a smart and highly qualified nurse of 20+ years is the one who pointed out this inconsistency to me. In her smart and qualified medical opinion, the media is blowing this out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

What you are suggesting be done, unfortunately, is logistically impossible. We don't have the capacity or ability to quarantine every risk or exposure or even positive test. We as a society need to be responsible and follow the instructions given to us by our healthcare providers/system. We have the most robust and scalable healthcare system in the world, but it would be overrun quickly if we tried to quarantine and hospitalize everyone. We need to buy time and let this burn out by limiting spread / exposure while we develop additional treatments or a vaccine.

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Isn't that why treating and releasing a.k.a., quarantining at home is a bad idea?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Isn't that why treating and releasing a.k.a., quarantining at home is a bad idea?

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Quarantine at home is the only viable solution and that is why every single country in the world is following this model.

How about some levity:

Q. Why are people buying up all the toilet paper if coronavirus doesn't cause diarrhea?
A. Becuase every time someone coughs, 10 people shit their pants.

Q. What do you call it when someone gets Coronavirus twice?
A. Dos Equis

I understand tick season is supposed to be terrible this year. Now we're going to have to worry about corona with lime (lyme) disease.

I'll see myself out.

I’m super confused why being treated and released to be quarantined at home is confusing or contradictory? You can’t keep every person who has this in a hospital. There will be millions who have this. You have to be purposely being obtuse.

What is your stance? This isn’t a big deal and the media is trying to make it one to get trump out of office? Is that the stance? What about Italy? They are part of the big conspiracy?

Is this real life?

DeWine tweeted this which makes perfect sense:

“You can't write laws to cover every situation. People need to take some responsibility, and we're seeing it happen. People are getting it.”

A quick question for the IT professionals here. Do we have the internet capacity to handle all these businesses and online classes about to take place?

Might be a stupid question, but keep in mind the source. Coming from a guy who only knows how to reset his modem/router when his internet slows or stops.

edit: double post. Told y’all I’m an idiot when comes to this stuff.

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Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

Quarantine at home is the only viable solution and that is why every single country in the world is following this model.

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Thank you for being a voice of reason here.


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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

DeWine tweeted this which makes perfect sense:

“You can't write laws to cover every situation. People need to take some responsibility, and we're seeing it happen. People are getting it.”

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He's doing a great job.

No worries. Google has 1700 engineers working on it.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

IÂ’m super confused why being treated and released to be quarantined at home is confusing or contradictory? You canÂ’t keep every person who has this in a hospital. There will be millions who have this. You have to be purposely being obtuse.

What is your stance? This isnÂ’t a big deal and the media is trying to make it one to get trump out of office? Is that the stance? What about Italy? They are part of the big conspiracy?

Is this real life?

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Let me try one more time to illuminate the contradiction: We shut everything down to slow the spread, then send the only 4 people who test positive in the region home from a hospital. But isolating the few positive cases now would help slow the spread. That is a contradiction. And I don’t think the demeaning responses are warranted. I get “we can’t keep millions in a hospital”. But it’s not millions. It’s 4. I hope we stop it from becoming millions, otherwise we will have overwhelmed our medical system, which is what we are taking drastic measures to prevent. Heck, the 4 may grow to 4000 positives in the region, then I’ll agree we can’t quarantine them. But for now...

To my point about the media, I have no stance, especially a political one. Review my past posts - I pretty much despise them all, including and especially Trump. I do think the media sensationalizes things - donÂ’t you? IÂ’m calling it out because the media needs to be fair, accurate and complete - especially now. Do you feel they are?

Perhaps the media would do a better job if the leaders listened to the CDC:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...navirus-trump/

The problem with a controlled hospital quarantine is that those 4 had already spread the virus to likely dozens of individuals before they arrived to the hospital. So isolating them before they spread it would have been impossible because that occurred before they even arrived. The cost-benefit ratio of using a hospital to contain further spread is outrageous and really only works to control the dipshits that think they can’t spread it, which are few so far thankfully.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

The problem with a controlled hospital quarantine is that those 4 had already spread the virus to likely dozens of individuals before they arrived to the hospital. So isolating them before they spread it would have been impossible because that occurred before they even arrived. The cost-benefit ratio of using a hospital to contain further spread is outrageous and really only works to control the dipshits that think they can’t spread it, which are few so far thankfully.

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And they are not the only 4 capable of spreading it to the region.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Yeah what a crock of shit.

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Co-sign this, though in uplifting news Cleveland Clinic has created a test that can have an accurate result in 8 hours, the brilliant minds up there never cease to amaze me.

I don’t know who this guy is, or anything about the accuracy of what he’s providing, but if this doesn’t make you want to practice your “social distancing”, I don’t know what to tell you!

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca