2023 College Basketball Transfer Portal

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Lets all stop pretending that Miller and/or Xavier is taking some anti NIL/players wanting to get the most stance though. Xavier just can't compete with Miami offering 800K for 2 years for a guy. They aren't taking some moral stance, if they could compete with that they would. It certainly has worked out quite well for Miami.

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Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

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Originally Posted by nuts4xu

Xavier is playing the NIL game, but they are not going to out bid other schools for kids wanting to transfer. That is the game Miller isn't playing.

Last off season, it was widely speculated Miami University offered LSU transfer Nigele Peck in the range of $400k. Xavier was recruiting him, but was never going to put up that type coin, and he ended up going to the highest bidder.

My understanding is the NIL program at Xavier is competitive but we will not pursue mercenaries or kids that want to take their services to the highest bidder.

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Just to be clear, that was the University of Miami (not Miami U in Oxford) that bid in $450K per year, for Pack----a total of nearly $900K. At least, that is the sum quoted by the media. The announcers during the Miami - Texas game also quoted that number. Doesn't mean it is accurate because NIL isn't very transparent, but it has been the number widely quoted. BTW, for those who argue this year's final four confirms that College hoops isn't going to follow Charles Barkley's prediction, I point to the U. They were reportedly very active in NIL for both Men's and Women's hoops and look at the results. Men's team is in its first final four and Women's team made the Sweet Sixteen for the first time. That, of course, doesn't prove anything but it can be seen as confirmatory evidence that NIL matters. Is going to be interesting to watch what happens to college sports over the next few years.

I hope X doesn't pursue the players who just want to get paid. On the one hand, I cannot blame many of the players---especially those who will likely never go pro and haven't taken the free education part of a full ride seriously. Nigel Pack money may be the biggest financial opportunity they will ever see. On the other hand, free agency in professional sports is one of the factors that has made it less interesting to follow for some, like me. Player turnover can loosen the bond between team and fan.

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Originally Posted by nuts4xu

Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

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I believe that in some instances Miller identifies a guy he wants and Xavier is also the highest bidder.

I do agree that Xavier won't be able to outbid many schools for certain guys who would not be worth going after.

But for example, say Boum was a guy Miller identified he wanted and Boum was also a guy who was interested in going to whoever offered him the most NIL money. Boum last offseason didn't seem to be all that highly sought after in the portal, there could have been a match where Boum wanted the most he could get and Xavier offered him the most.

So I agree there are some guys who will be out of reach who won't be worth pursuing, I disagree Miller disregards any transfer who is looking to get the most they can.

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Originally Posted by nuts4xu

Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

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Sean will have a roster mostly full of players he recruited next year. Should be interesting to see who he can get from the portal. Maybe make a sneaky bid for Bronny James. Who knows. Buckle up. Gonna be quite the ride during the portal window.

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Originally Posted by murray87

Jameer Nelson Jr is in the portal. That makes me feel even older!

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Me, too! Ugh.


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Well, it appears that some degree of reality is setting in.

The portal "window" may well turn out to be more important annually than the traditional recruiting window. In fact, I'm fully expecting that.

But I think there is alot more reality that we maybe dont want to face.

When deciding on a new school, I think about 80% of the final decision will come down to the amount of NIL money offered. By that, I mean if all other things were equal and a player was considering 2 schools, that if one offer was less than 80% of the other, then the larger offer will be the deciding factor.

I'll take that idea even further. It is very rare that "all things are equal", and I think 50% of ALL transfer decisions will be based on NIL Money. Take this scenario: School A is in a very good conference with a quality coach and a tournament worthy roster, and is offering 100K in NIL. Team B is Miami (OH) and is offering 200K. remember, you are a 20 year old kid.

Money is going to be a major factor and in some cases will be the only factor.

Anyone can see this in hindsight. But can you see it in foresight? This is happening. The biggest and most popular teams will dominate the NIL "market" with "corporate" dollars designed to return some marketing benefit. Then big affluent alumni bases will also play a big role by just funneling money directly to kids with no apparent marketing obligation of the kid.

the more I look at the way the rosters of some of the NCAA teams that went deep were constructed, the more convinced i am that we are just at the edge of this wave.

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Originally Posted by MHettel

Well, it appears that some degree of reality is setting in.

The portal "window" may well turn out to be more important annually than the traditional recruiting window. In fact, I'm fully expecting that.

But I think there is alot more reality that we maybe dont want to face.

When deciding on a new school, I think about 80% of the final decision will come down to the amount of NIL money offered. By that, I mean if all other things were equal and a player was considering 2 schools, that if one offer was less than 80% of the other, then the larger offer will be the deciding factor.

I'll take that idea even further. It is very rare that "all things are equal", and I think 50% of ALL transfer decisions will be based on NIL Money. Take this scenario: School A is in a very good conference with a quality coach and a tournament worthy roster, and is offering 100K in NIL. Team B is Miami (OH) and is offering 200K. remember, you are a 20 year old kid.

Money is going to be a major factor and in some cases will be the only factor.

Anyone can see this in hindsight. But can you see it in foresight? This is happening. The biggest and most popular teams will dominate the NIL "market" with "corporate" dollars designed to return some marketing benefit. Then big affluent alumni bases will also play a big role by just funneling money directly to kids with no apparent marketing obligation of the kid.

the more I look at the way the rosters of some of the NCAA teams that went deep were constructed, the more convinced i am that we are just at the edge of this wave.

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What is it specifically that bothers you about this? Is it like a sanctity of amateurism in college sports type deal? If not, what?

The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially.

What is it about people using their leverage to get the most money they can that bothers you so much?

Why would you give two shits that the athlete in your scenario picked Miami OH? Also, that does the opposite of what you are predicting, Miami OH, who usually stinks, now has an opportunity to level the playing field.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

What is it specifically that bothers you about this? Is it like a sanctity of amateurism in college sports type deal? If not, what?

The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially.

What is it about people using their leverage to get the most money they can that bothers you so much?

Why would you give two shits that the athlete in your scenario picked Miami OH? Also, that does the opposite of what you are predicting, Miami OH, who usually stinks, now has an opportunity to level the playing field.

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Public reps, the man is keeping me down.

And, now, like a Woke mob, fellow posters descend on Hettel because he finds the NIL money grab distasteful. I'm with you Hettel.

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Originally Posted by Jumpin_Jamal_Forever

And, now, like a Woke mob, fellow posters descend on Hettel because he finds the NIL money grab distasteful. I'm with you Hettel.

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Asking questions about why it bothers someone is akin to a "woke mob"? Don't be a snowflake.

Why does it bother you? Dislike capitalism? Or is it the amateur thing?