Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by JTG

The White House may have some morons, but we are not getting pushed around and being forced to pay off a bunch of third world terrorists (billions of $ to Iran) like we were with Barry the Muslim.

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Once Again, the billions were THEIR MONEY. We just had a hold on it. It was never USA money. It was never going anywhere except back to iRAN.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Oh yeah, lots of them were/are definitely morons too. I'm not sure they are on the level of the current morons we have in the White House. I draw a distinction between dysfunctional bureaucracy and full-on reckless stupidity though. The current administration appears to have limited knowledge of the scope of their roles while also having a risk tolerance that (more than) borders on complete recklessness. It might work out, but it also might really really not work out.

Here's an example: Let's say that I work as a Doctor for the VA. I'm not a good Doctor, but I'm not the worst Doctor, and I know how to be a Doctor. I make every decision based on how it impacts the likelihood of me keeping my job. The result is that I don't really do anything out of the ordinary to help anyone (risky), but I also don't do anything wildly negligent to hurt anyone. I'm not advancing my field, but I'm not killing people. Now let's replace him with somebody who is smart, but also has a very high risk tolerance coupled with a massive ego and little knowledge of Medicine (although he has read some books). That is what we have now, IMHO.

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I get your stance on Trump or someone with his credentials. Not to say I agree, but wanted to focus on the analogy which I thought was creative and something I could relate to.

When you say: “The result is that I don't really do anything out of the ordinary to help anyone (risky)”

It sounds like the job performance is not good or bad, but somewhat ok because it’s not out the ordinary. Do I have this correct? Not sure I’ve seen similar results. See GAO attached. https://www.gao.gov/mobile/key_issue.../issue_summary

I know your main point is not about the VA, but had to ask and/or show a small example of government inefficiency. My main point is you call this presidency “full on reckless stupidity,” but I see this currently and have for years in the the House and Senate especially when it comes to spending.

However my favorite part, “I know how to be a Doctor. I make every decision based on how it impacts the likelihood of me keeping my job.” This is spot on when it comes to politicians.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Once Again, the billions were THEIR MONEY. We just had a hold on it. It was never USA money. It was never going anywhere except back to iRAN.

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B/S. They’re terrorists. They have no rights. Look what they’re doing with that money. Obama is and was a f’ing idiot.

Now that the money is gone, why don’t you fly over there and reason with them to be good global citizens. Just keep an eye out for plugged-in drills.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Once Again, the billions were THEIR MONEY. We just had a hold on it. It was never USA money. It was never going anywhere except back to iRAN.

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Or was it completely just their money. Not saying yes or no, but wish we had a little more digging from the press on the initial and interest part of the payment.

Attached is a nice article on this subject. Yes I know it’s a conservative publication, but have a few “never Trumpers” on staff. Seems like most fact checkers will find someone who will agree with their point and never give me the whole story. Just like to dig into both sides of the story. Sometimes it helps and others not so much.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ranian-regime/

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Oh yeah, lots of them were/are definitely morons too. I'm not sure they are on the level of the current morons we have in the White House. I draw a distinction between dysfunctional bureaucracy and full-on reckless stupidity though. The current administration appears to have limited knowledge of the scope of their roles while also having a risk tolerance that (more than) borders on complete recklessness. It might work out, but it also might really really not work out.

Here's an example: Let's say that I work as a Doctor for the VA. I'm not a good Doctor, but I'm not the worst Doctor, and I know how to be a Doctor. I make every decision based on how it impacts the likelihood of me keeping my job. The result is that I don't really do anything out of the ordinary to help anyone (risky), but I also don't do anything wildly negligent to hurt anyone. I'm not advancing my field, but I'm not killing people. Now let's replace him with somebody who is smart, but also has a very high risk tolerance coupled with a massive ego and little knowledge of Medicine (although he has read some books). That is what we have now, IMHO.

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Those doctors that "did nothing" started how many wars in the middle east? almost every president in the last 50 years has gotten into or started a conflict somewhere in the middle east. trump killed 1 guy, but all of a sudden he's worse than bush or obama? please. trump is practically gandhi by comparison

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

How the fuck is Tom Steyer one of the six Democrat candidates to qualify for the last debate before Iowa?!? I mean, I know Trump is President, so any dumb ass thing seems possible, but Tom fucking Steyer?!? Really?

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Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and Steyer - who am I missing if there's six?

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Originally Posted by X-band '01

Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and Steyer - who am I missing if there's six?

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Klobuchar

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Originally Posted by X-band '01

Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and Steyer - who am I missing if there's six?

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The only one who is not a buffoon, a kid, or a socialist.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

The only one who is not a buffoon, a kid, or a socialist.

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Klobuchar isn’t a buffoon? Lol

Iran says it shot down Ukraine plane, but it was not intentional. Sad situation. https://amp.businessinsider.com/iran...n-error-2020-1