they're more than happy to let us do it for them. netanyahu already denounced the attack. great allyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
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they're more than happy to let us do it for them. netanyahu already denounced the attack. great allyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
If we get out of the region, Israel will have no choice but to turn the region into a parking lot for their own survival. I think the only thing that’s been keeping them from doing it for years was the US. I could be wrong though...Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
i'd be more than fine with doing that, but israel will do everything in their power to keep that from happening. they've said as much publicly. why put their soldiers in danger when we'll do it for them? the us isn't "keeping" israel from doing anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
Ok. Won’t even pretend to know a lot about Middle East politics. I was always of the opinion, based on what little I have read, that the US for decades has held Israel back from being more aggressive against its enemies in the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
Regardless, get out and let Israel take care of its business in the region. Because, unless I’m wrong again, Israel can take care of business in the Middle East.
Agreed. Even if they can't we should get out. it's not our responsiblity to ensure israel's sovereignty or peace in that areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
I'm not sure that Israel can take on the entire Arab world. Israel has a population of around 8MM people. Iran has 80MM. Iraq 40MM. Saudi Arabia 32MM. I believe that Israel has a technically superior military, but I'm not sure if it's superior enough to take on multiple countries that are so much larger. Was protection of Israel one of the reasons we have been involved in the Middle East? That and Oil, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
Obviously in a perfect world we would never have gotten involved, but we did. I'm not really sure what happens when / if we pull out. It will very likely create a power vacuum that could end up getting filled with someone like Russia. I'm not sure we want them controlling that much of the world's oil.
This shit all sounds really simple, but I'm willing to bet it's not, and that's why multiple administrations with pretty different views on most topics have struggled to fine a way to exit. It will be a pleasant surprise if the pack of morons we have in the White House now are the ones who actually figure it out.
Good post. You’d think by now that both the US and Russia would realize messing around in countries that have been in a religious war for thousands of years is fool’s gold. The hubris of both countries makes me shake my head. Black gold, I guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Russia atleast has some territorial interests in the area. they're atleast on the same continentQuote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
maybe the bureaucratic do-nothings we've been electing could also be described as "packs of morons". just a thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Israel is one of them, but definitely not the primary reason. There's little link to them in the Gulf War or the Iraq War as well as Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
It's impossible to reduce the complication of the region, but I would say it's mostly explained as an extension of the Cold War and of course we're motivated by oil. We've gained a lot of protection with new oil sources but based on reserves its either be involved in Venezuela or the Middle East.