UCONN's fb coach Jim Mora Jr is trying to sell players on the idea they get back to winning fb and get asked to the ACC. Now that's some delusional logic.
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UCONN's fb coach Jim Mora Jr is trying to sell players on the idea they get back to winning fb and get asked to the ACC. Now that's some delusional logic.
That's a good question, but the FIRST QUESTION will always be: if we add this school, will the per team payout from the media agreement increase?Quote:
Originally Posted by sirthought
I go back to my point about the profile necessary for a school to possibly end up seriously considering the Big East, assuming their present football driven media payout begins to truly crumble around them: private and comparatively small (i.e. can't look to public funding, and there will not be a large bucket of student fee subsidies to bail them out from the media payout haircut). That means Duke, Wake and Syracuse from your list, along with BC.
What would any of those schools do in terms of adding value to the BE media agreement? I believe we all agree that Duke would be a slam dunk and Syracuse a close second, simply because they were in the BE before and, like UCONN, might find themselves rehabilitated once Boeheim steps down and once they find themselves back in a more logical recruiting base. Maybe BC could wake back up if it came back to the BE, but maybe UCONN and Providence would nix such an idea.
I like your thinking. I see it as an inverted dynamic from what happened with the old Big East, with this new possible version being fully driven by basketball and not being torn apart by football aspirations.
Otherwise, it just seems like UVA is B1G bound. Who knows about WVU and PITT.
If all hell breaks loose and the BE expands and was forced to take on some teams with Football, I would prefer to to pass on big state schools like WVU, Pitt, UVA, Syracuse, etc.
I’d settle for Duke, BC and wake.
Syracuse University is a private institution that was founded in 1870. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 14,479 (fall 2020)Quote:
Originally Posted by MHettel
I agree with your sentiment, but Duke and Syracuse would be the first two I'd go after. Duke, because it's Duke. Syracuse, because of its earlier affiliation with the Big East and because of some of the old rivalries that would wake up with them in - Georgetown, to name one.
I want the Big East to benefit from this chaos but I also think the the ACC losers are better off sticking together than leaving to join the Big East.
Let’s say FL St., Miami, NC and Clemson leave the ACC with two going to the SEC and two to the Big 10. That still leaves a pretty damn good basketball conference (assuming the others all drop/dump football). Duke, NC St., Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt and VA along with Wake and others are a pretty solid b-ball only conference.
I think the Big East should make a play for Kansas. Kansas football is terrible and the B12 is on way shakier ground than the ACC.
The only reason the ACC is not on shaky ground is that ND is sticking around, for now. Once they decide, FSU, Miami , UNC, Va, Clemson will be headed elsewhere. Then the ACC will crumble. Lots of PAC/Big12 merger talk going on which could keep Kansas in the Big12.
A Pac 12/Big 12/ACC merger with a six west/six central/six east (or 6/7/7 to get to 20) would be interesting. Not as much travel if they play east/west only twice a year on a rotation. Maybe not marquee teams but maybe a few names big enough to get there a-la-Bearkittens or become good enough on a regular basis to at least be relevant. Certainly if Clifton Community College can do it...Boise/Arizona/Virginia Tech/Oklahoma St could.Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG
Might be a stretch but how many teams are relevant now?
Would be 3 major conferences (well, 2 major and what not-so-major).
How many "major" conferences are there now? Just one really? B1G is trying to, but they are a still a step or two behind the SEC. Everybody else in barely in the rear view mirror.
For what it’s worth….I heard today from a very solid lead from within the UC athletic department that Oregon to BigXII is going to happen, and soon.
Remember folks….I don’t make the news, I just report it. :chin:
hmm. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
I mean, which school or conference makes the next move? If the B1G had any more moves in mind, they would make them. They realize that any offer made to any school outside of the SEC to join the B1G would be the best option for that school. So anything they want to do would just trump all other moves. If they wanted Oregon, and Oregon had the other options of staying in a rebuilt Pac 12 or going to the B12, then it would be an EASY decision for Oregon to join the B1G.
So the fact that Oregon is willing to commit to the B12 does suggest (to me at least) that the B1G is not planning to add them and potentially could indicate that the B1G has no plans to add anyone at this point (cause Oregon would be in that discussion I'm assuming).
Oregon going alone doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Maybe the B12 has asked others, but they either arent interested or think a better offer may be forthcoming....
If the Pac 12 wanted to expand, the Western most B12 teams would make the most sense. But I absolutely do not see any type of scenario where either the Pac 12 or B12 both LOSE AND GAIN teams. Those conferences will either add teams and stay viable, or lose teams and they will be out of the mix (pac 12 could "remain" a conference with a few scraps and then add some inconsequential teams like UNLV, SDSU, Boise etc).
I think the ACC may lose some teams, and add some others. Florida State, Clemson and Miami and pretty attractive for the SEC. The ACC might be able to survive those losses and grab a team like WVU. Not sure that WVU would consider the ACC to be much better than the current B12, though. However the geography makes more sense.
Oregon to the B12 is NOT the move I expect to be next. The ACC has to play defense. The Pac 12 has to play offense. The B12 can kind of do either right now.
I think the next move we see will involve at least 2 and probably 4 teams moving between the B12 and Pac 12. Or the SEC raids the ACC for the good football properties.
If Oregon does go to the B12, I'd be curious to see how UC approaches their track program to compete moving forward. They've had a couple olympians over the past 10-15 years, but Oregon is a major player, from what I've seen.
These geographic distances are crazy. I guess if the B10 knows they are getting a huge pay day, adding two programs from the LA media market could cover the expenses for transportation. But the B12 and other conferences don't have that knowledge. And the idea that even an enhanced conference like that could force the media outlets to pay up is a big gamble. I mean, there's only so much money before we watch nothing but commercials and no games at all!