Covid-19

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

This article also accurately shows why the RCT that MID references as the reason masks don’t work (Danish study) is very faulty and not a superior study to observational studies in spite of random control status.

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A mask study cannot be conducted in a lab. The limitations are the same as all studies conducted in my field, and part of the process is recognizing the degree that the limitations impact the results and make conclusions accordingly. The Danish mask study is about as good as can be done in the real world, and the results are compelling.

I've said this before - look at the real world case data. Adding mask mandates/lifting mask mandates do not change the case trajectory. Similar geographies with mandates look very similar to those without mask mandates. Yes, that is strictly observational, but the degree to which the observation repeats itself is also compelling.

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Originally Posted by Smails

I got the vaccine and I don't need some smug, condescending thank you to validate why I made the choice that I did, nor do I feel some sort of moral superiority to my fellow Americans who made a choice not to. I don't begrudge either side because I respect the individual's right to decide what they inject into their bodies.

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Public reps. Each person can make their own choice about vaccination, based on their own personal risk factors and risk tolerance. The vaccinated are protected; those not vaccinated are at risk. Period. I'm glad the CDC finally acknowledges that too.

Im not sure how you can ignore the limitations in the Danish study (% of population, timing of study, adherence to actual mandate, etc. lots of subjective data) and yet use the same limitations as the reason the other studies are not valid. They all have limitations but the difference is that using evidence to disprove efficacy is much easier than it is to prove something is efficacious. So... I get it, you are standing firm that the data has more validity because it showed better correlation on the surface. But that is because of the reasons you just stated: you cannot make a real world study in masking, as there are WAY WAY WAY too many variables along with ethical concerns. The CDC sums all of this up well in the same studies referenced from the JAMA article from earlier. Did you read those studies?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

You believe the studies that correspond to your narrative. I'll believe the stronger studies that correspond with what has actually transpired in the real world.

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Lol ok

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

A mask study cannot be conducted in a lab. The limitations are the same as all studies conducted in my field, and part of the process is recognizing the degree that the limitations impact the results and make conclusions accordingly. The Danish mask study is about as good as can be done in the real world, and the results are compelling.

I've said this before - look at the real world case data. Adding mask mandates/lifting mask mandates do not change the case trajectory. Similar geographies with mandates look very similar to those without mask mandates. Yes, that is strictly observational, but the degree to which the observation repeats itself is also compelling.

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Sheep don't understand logic...

The end of this silly back and forth might be the best part of the pandemic ending!


...until the next thing...

Well, Lou and Ville seem to be on the same page so I’ll assume it’s over.

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Originally Posted by Smails

I got the vaccine and I don't need some smug, condescending thank you to validate why I made the choice that I did, nor do I feel some sort of moral superiority to my fellow Americans who made a choice not to. I don't begrudge either side because I respect the individual's right to decide what they inject into their bodies.

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Thank you Smails. And also you’re welcome. And also thanks for picking up on the smugness. I was hoping that would come through.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Lol ok

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OK. Lol.

Next?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Sheep don't understand logic...

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You know what's fucked up? I can go on twitter and find any random liberal to engage with. We have good conversation - I learn something and hopefully they do too. I come here to discuss... where I hope to find Jesuit-educated cohorts who want to use facts and logic in a good debate, and nothing. I get name calling and text acronyms, none of which add value. The only poster to actually give something meaningful is Lloyd - and while we don't agree, I appreciate intellectual honesty. Others here, sad. Very very sad. You nailed it Lou. Sheep.