Conference carousel to start spinning again?

I think UVa, Ga Tech, UNC, Fla St have nothing to worry about as I believe other (better $$) conferences will snap them up; or they may decide to stick it out together in the ACC, although I really doubt that and don't know why they would. I think it's a question of how many of BC, NC St, Miami, Clemson, Duke, Va Tech move on; they've all been bandied about for the B1G, SEC and B12. You could easily add Louisville, Syr and Pitt to the latter group.

The one thing I'm sure of is that Wake Forest is not going to any of the Big 4 onferences.

Let's say it's a total raid where the B1G goes to at least 16 grabbing UVa and Ga Tech, and then the SEC grabs UNC & Duke and B12 grabs Fla St, NC St, Miami, Clemson/Va Tech. You're now left with six of Clemson/Va Tech, WF, BC, Louisville, Syr, Pitt.
Presumably this would lead to invites to UConn, UC, SFla and then who ? We're back at the old Big East essentially.

True, and adding those 3 get them to 9, throw in Temple and UMass (football aspirations) gets them to 11, they could pick up one more Big East wannabe.

Then if the Catholic 7 can convine the other not-yet-played-a-single-Big-East-Game wannabees that they are better off sticking with their old conference, then voila, the problem solves itself. They are the only 7 left in the Big East - no exit fees, no wait period, they keep all the NCAA credits for themselves and UC, UConn, USF, they get to keep the name, they get to keep MSG, they send out the invites to us and 4 others, and BANG this deal is in place! They might even get exit fees out of UC, UConn, USF, and Temple!

Yes, I know that would take a LOT of things to go right, but there you go.

Big 10 expansion talks ongoing:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/cont...s-ongoing.html

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Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee told the school’s Athletic Council in December that discussions about further expansion for the Big Ten conference are “ongoing.”

In November, the league announced the addition of Maryland from the Atlantic Coast Conference and Rutgers from the Big East. Nebraska joined the Big Ten for the 2011-12 school year after leaving the Big 12.

It doesn’t appear that the Big Ten is necessarily content to stay at 14 members. According to the minutes of the Dec. 5 Athletic Council meeting obtained by the Dispatch, Gee said “there has been ongoing discussion” about expansion and “believes there is movement towards three or four super conferences that are made up of 16-20 teams.”

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Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes37

Big 10 expansion talks ongoing:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/cont...s-ongoing.html

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Going to 20 would save programs like UC and Wake. Going to 16 and holding there would doom certain former "big shot" programs.

We've all come to the conclusion, more or less, that the pickings for the PAC12 are slim, for purposes of that conference making it to even 16 members. So it will be interesting to see how all this turns out.

Looking at the big picture, it has to be fact that the drivers in all this are the B1G, SEC, PAC12 and Big12, more or less in that order.

IF this is about continuing to drive football through those 4 primary conferences, then those conferences will first and foremost be looking to enhance themselves with the right additions for each of them in order to increase their economic value - the B1G and the SEC are best positioned for doing that - and overall brand: competitive programs, strong academic profiles, etc. IMO, this scenario suggests topping off at 16 each, again, assuming the PAC12 can make that work for them.

If this is about being more inclusive (ha!) and getting to a more balanced structure geographically and every way else, 4 truly regional football conferences could break completely from the NCAA, going to 20 teams per regional conference (i.e. the basketball programs and other Olympic sports of each of these schools would remain in the NCAA and in their respective conferences, as they exist today) . The regular season is kept relevant as any given program strives to come out on top of the 10 team division in which they reside - eight teams play for a super conference championship, which fills the slots for the 4 game play-off format. The play-off then runs from that.

I'LL STATE IT AGAIN - - ALL THIS REALIGNMENT ACTIVITY HAS BEEN A BLESSING FOR XAVIER UNIVERSITY AND ITS BASKETBALL PROGRAM.

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Big 10 expansion talks ongoing:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/cont...s-ongoing.html

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It's been headed to this since the whole thing started. 4 "superconferences" of 16 teams is kind of mathmatically ideal. Each conference has 2 8-team divisions. Division winners play each other in conference championship games. The 4 winners of those games move into the 4 game playoff. One overall winner. The 4 teams that lost the conference championship games play each other in a set of 2 bowl games which are reserved for this.

This seemed where it was all headed a few years back when the PAC10 was trying to lure Texas and Oklahoma to the West. The main sticking point now is how you can get the PAC12 to be the PAC 16. Possibly Boise and SDSU could get them to 14. There WILL be teams left out who were previously "in" (Wake, BC, Duke, UC, UConn, etc....)

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Originally Posted by xudash

Going to 20 would save programs like UC and Wake. Going to 16 and holding there would doom certain former "big shot" programs.

We've all come to the conclusion, more or less, that the pickings for the PAC12 are slim, for purposes of that conference making it to even 16 members. So it will be interesting to see how all this turns out.

Looking at the big picture, it has to be fact that the drivers in all this are the B1G, SEC, PAC12 and Big12, more or less in that order.

IF this is about continuing to drive football through those 4 primary conferences, then those conferences will first and foremost be looking to enhance themselves with the right additions for each of them in order to increase their economic value - the B1G and the SEC are best positioned for doing that - and overall brand: competitive programs, strong academic profiles, etc. IMO, this scenario suggests topping off at 16 each, again, assuming the PAC12 can make that work for them.

If this is about being more inclusive (ha!) and getting to a more balanced structure geographically and every way else, 4 truly regional football conferences could break completely from the NCAA, going to 20 teams per regional conference (i.e. the basketball programs and other Olympic sports of each of these schools would remain in the NCAA and in their respective conferences, as they exist today) . The regular season is kept relevant as any given program strives to come out on top of the 10 team division in which they reside - eight teams play for a super conference championship, which fills the slots for the 4 game play-off format. The play-off then runs from that.

I'LL STATE IT AGAIN - - ALL THIS REALIGNMENT ACTIVITY HAS BEEN A BLESSING FOR XAVIER UNIVERSITY AND ITS BASKETBALL PROGRAM.

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I'm not a big fan of the prospect of football breaking off from the NCAA. I dont know if there would even BE an NCAA without football. How would they fund it? They use the football revenue to fund the NCAA costs associated with the other olympic sports, except for Mens BBall which could likely fund itself, but it cant fund all the rest of the programs too.

And honestly, think about all the rules the NCAA has that are needed. You cant pay players becasue the NCAA says so. The NCAA set the scholarship limits. The NCAA defines the eligibility criteria. Think of a world where football players on campus are NOT part of the NCAA and maybe they are getting paid, or possibly have endorsement deals, and maybe schools can just give them extra money beyond their scholarship amounts. And also on that campus are BBall players that are playing by the existing set of NCAA rules. If you start talking about "breaking away" from the NCAA, then you must also assume a drastically different set of rules....otherwise, what would be the point of breaking away?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Current big 6 conference members 68; plus ND and maybe Boise (?) means 70 teams reducing to 64.
If the 4 conferences left don't include ACC and Big East, their 20 teams have to go somewhere or be left out in the cold:

SEC 14; adds Duke and UNC (although Duke's stadium only seats 33,000?) = 16

Big 10: adds Ga. Tech and Maryland = 14; maybe adds ND and Rutgers = 16

Big 12: adds Louisville, Va Tech, Clemson, Florida St, Virginia (?), and Miami (?) =16

Pac 12: adds Boise State and San Deigo St (?) = 14

So, the Pac 12 needs 2 more schools, and there are a bunch of BE/ACC schools left out, none of which make sense to add to the Pac 12:

BC, NC State (!), Wake, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse and Temple. (I'm ignoring recent BE additions).

The Big 12 and Big 10 may shuffle a few of their noted additions, but how do you get the Pac 12 to 16 teams?

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Decided to re-copy my post from last summer so I could keep track of the shuffle. Bolded moves already happened.
Lot of talk of Virginia to Big10, but that just improves Go's chances for the Big12.
And anyone going past 16, to 18 or 20, really scrambles the board.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Decided to re-copy my post from last summer so I could keep track of the shuffle. Bolded moves already happened.
Lot of talk of Virginia to Big10, but that just improves Go's chances for the Big12.
And anyone going past 16, to 18 or 20, really scrambles the board.

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Show-off.

Well, this would be the best of all possible worlds for me: an ACC/Big XII alliance. The ACC is generally a much more attractive league to me as a Louisville fan than the Big XII. The ACC is filled with teams Louisville has played over the years in great locations. The Big XII has Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Baylor (for starters). But the Big XII also has a bunch of schools within driving distance of me. With an alliance, Louisville wouldn't have to actually be a part of this horses**t league but would get regularly scheduled games against Big XII teams. Beautiful.

Not liking the odds of it actually happening, of course.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-other-leagues

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Hey, all I did was take what you wrote and laid it out where I could see (follow) it!

Jimmy's Yoda reviews today/tomorrow's meetings:

http://tuxedoyoda.blogspot.com/2013/...accbig-12.html