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Damn. At the rate you guys are going New Jersey will open up first. Although after reading the order it looks like business and retail will be fully open, right? Bars, Restaurants, and Hair Salons will still be closed along with Gyms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
The branding of these policies is almost comical at this point. Two states can have mirror image policies but one is considered "open" and the other is considered "closed" because no one reads past the headline of the order.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
The much-anticipated serological data that’s finally rolling in reveals that the number of actual Covid-19 cases could be 10 times more than the number of confirmed cases. While this suggests the fatality rate is lower than previously thought, it also means it's more contagious. As infectious disease experts will point out, even a seemingly low overall mortality rate can translate into a shockingly large death toll if the virus spreads through a major portion of the population. If this virus gets into the wrong population (i.e. nursing homes or long term care centers) it has proven to be devastating and deadly. Many of those facilities have had 50-60% of their residents killed if the virus infects someone inside the facility. This is the worst pandemic since 1918, and people should be cautious about underselling how deadly or dangerous this pathogen can be.
George HW Bush’s approval rating was 90% in 1991. He lost his re-election bid in 1992. A bad economy creates short term memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Thank you for the info. You obviously know this well. Do you think we should stay locked down? Or do you think we over protect the people susceptible to possibly dying from this? Do you think the country can sustain the continued high unemployment without causing a bigger impact on mental health and loss of peoples future retirement? Also in nursing homes I would think the yearly death rate is much higher already than the general public, correct? Not to sound insensitive, but do we sacrifice everyone else for minuscule of the population? Even if 200,000 people in the US ended up dying, which is still horrible, that still would only account for .06% of the US population. And this thing is not going to just go away. So at some point you have to weigh what is best for 327 million people as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmcrawfo
Nice to hear from our resident Doctor. I believe you have a practice that is potentially negatively impacted by the restrictions as well. I would be interested to hear your opinions on the 'why' as well as the 'how' for starting to reopen things.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmcrawfo
Apparently the virus can be spread thru the a/c system. Settle down to a nice meal at a restaurant being showered by droplets.
Fear mongering. Overall death rate isn't even up. Lap up the socialist puke, dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
Especially when the cause every death is being pressured by hospital administrations to be attributed to covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmcrawfo
It's not a pandemic; it's a scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmcrawfo
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexand.../#4c01f8f5df8f
Damn socialists @ Forbes.
I feel sorry for you and them.
And me.
Americans are stupid.
I've been playing golf 3x a week. Pick up the box lunch @ honey baked ham and a six pack. Feel sorry for yourself. I'm good.
In regard to the different models, here's something you guys that follow that stuff might find interesting:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...ing-ihme-model
Wouldn't letting people in open spaces like parks, beaches, etc. be a better solution then than sitting inside confined with the windows open?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
Go volunteer at a hospital then hardassQuote:
Originally Posted by waggy
Another, rather sobering, assessment.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...eremy-konyndyk
Least surprising take ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
That viruses are airborne is not new, or news.
They're mostly empty. Everyone went home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett
It's weird in that I guess it really depends on where you live. Out here in the midwest, it's honestly pretty easy for me to be optimistic. Case growth has been relatively slow, hospitals have excess capacity, and people are slowly getting back to something getting a bit closer to "normal".
If this is a scam, then it is the most beautifully executed and highly elaborate scam of all time. The War of the Worlds only fooled a handfull of people for a couple of hours. This scam would totally blow that away.Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
It's not a scam. There is a genre of "pandemic porn" that some people seek out, though. Worst news/projections possible get most clicks.
Yahoo.com/news/trump-approval-rating-hits-time-143204836.html
I'll save you the suspense. Trumpster approval rating at an all time high.
Another case for showing how "scientific" polls are complete nonsense and bullshit. You poll every person in kentucky, and I'll again save you the suspense, beshear would be nowhere near an 80% approval rating that some bs poll says he is.
Damn, a +2. Did not see that happening. Trump will probably try to move the election to next Tuesday now to "prevent the election from happening in that second wave that little guy Fauci keeps talking about".
It’s a little like hurricane coverage. They will find the one mobile home in town that got damaged and try to convince you that most of the county looks just like that. It is indeed very real, but not as enormous as they want to make it seem.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
...and yet still losing to Sleepy Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
64% of total hospitalizations in Ohio are people over the age of 60. For people 50 and older is 83%. And the number of hospitalizations is trending downward.
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/por...spitalizations
51% of the deaths are from people over 80. And 92% of the deaths are people over 60.
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/por...rics/mortality
Lock away the olds and let's get on with life. Nothing about the trends in this state points to any reason for Dewine and Acton to continue this another month.
Maybe we could start with your parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Easy now Bobbie! My parents know they have to be overly cautious but are all for the economy starting up again
Yes in another bs "scientific" poll that proves nothing but the absurdity of polls, trumpster is losing to joe. The fact is, no matter who wins the election, the american people loseQuote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
We stayed away for a few weeks. I’ve seen them the last week or two. My dad has been working this whole time (essential job).Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
Everyone is fine. And they’re in the over 60 age group.
LOL... The Dr. who asserts that Covid can be spread through vent systems is also developing a vent system that prevents his assertion. Perhaps looking to get some kind of vent filter patented? That cat definitely aint a socialist...that's capitalism at it's finest.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
Today’s Reality Check for Ohio:
Model Projection of new Cases per Day (Mitigated) 2,000 on April 17.(Projected for yesterday 4/30 shows 1,092-OSU model,1,021 for 5/1)
1. Today's Actual new reported Cases: 716- less than the model which has never been reached despite more testing.
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1380- Monday 4/20 with 56 probable/assumed- A LOT from the Marion County prison. Never anywhere NEAR the projected peak. NEVER
2. Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 3,634 (up only 101 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago. Never any overrun.
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after all that Testing over a week ago?
3. Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 1,056 since reporting began a month and a half ago (up only 21 from yesterday.) Never any overrun.
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after Testing??
4. New Deaths today: 27 to 1,002 total. .
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds: 2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million
The ridiculous "Lockdown" continues, although DeWine, feeling the political winds apparently, changed the "Stay At Home" order last night to "Stay Safe Ohio" today. Obviously the people are speaking and Mikey is getting nervous that a revolt is afoot.
Also. There is now more and more indications that the reported "cases" of Covid19 may just be trumped up. Just follow the money as this Fact Check from liberal leaning USA Toaday even printed. More money for the hospitals from Medicare and insurance companies if a case is reported as Covid or someone who just may have the flu is put on a ventilator, of which there are plenty now. Where the hell is the shortage that Cuomo and Sixty Minutes were screaming about a couple of weeks ago? The ventilator air is getting a bit stale.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/
DeWine wore a Xavier tie today. I bet he reads this thread...
We saw our grandkids yesterday. And Yeah. Everyone is fine, and we're in the over 60 age group with a immuno-compromised wife in our couple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
And I have a question. Has any disease where someone is "asymptomatic", that is not affected or feeling it in the least, ever been considered "infected" before? if you're sick, you're sick aren't you? If you aren't you aren't, right? I'm sure I may have had a cold before that I barely felt, but passed it along to someone else. There is so much about the reporting on this thing that seems so fear-monger sided.
Chlamydia and TB come to mind. I’m sure there are more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Big problems can come from it though. It isnt like passing a cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
We came to realize at one nursing facility that there was an asymptomatic employee who tested positive. No symptoms whatsoever at any point, but clearly that person can't continue going to work and had to be off for the recommended time per the CDC.
Yeah the nursing homes will have to take big precautions but they always should. Most people in nursing homes days are numbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
I am an very conservative, keep the government out of my life kind of guy so I generally oppose anything that limits freedom, liberty, etc by the government. Personally, I don't think our country and economy can survive a long term lock down as it is now. We have to find a way to get things opened back up to some degree. If people could be trusted to be sensible, responsible, and respect the danger of this virus I would hope that we could open things back up with a degree of common sense precautions. Elderly and immunocompromised should continue to self-select and isolate themselves. Movie theaters, sporting events, etc. would need to make some major adjustments to seating and conditions. Same with air planes, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
I think when we do open things back up there likely be a spike and a lot more peopel will die. As long as our hospitals and healthcare systems don't become overwhelmed we can probably push through that spike, but have to be prepared to adjust quickly when appropriate. One of my biggest concerns for my offices is that I can not get PPE. I have about 17 N95 masks for my entire staff right now. I personally own 2 respirators which are a bitch to wear and I have to pay through the nose on ebay to get replacement filters.
If people would actually wear masks, actually try to do some social distancing, and use common sense we could probably open things back up. If people think they can jsut go crazy and go back to life as usual they likely are in for a rude awakening when cases go through the roof.
This is a nastier bug than a lot of people on this board are giving it credit. Social distancing worked and is working. That does not mean the disease is not a bad one.
If we get a reliable treatment and/or vaccine everything changes, of course.
Thank you and I agree people need to be sensible but we also have to get back to some normalcy soon the best we can. It’s actually sad for the older people or people in poor health. I doubt the majority want to spend that much time sitting alone in a confined place, especially if they don’t have a ton of time left on earth. Dammed if you do, damned if you don’t I guess. Here’s to hoping for a vaccine soon. And I feel for people like yourself that see the really bad side of this. Most of us have not witnessed what some of the hospitals have for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmcrawfo