Politics Thread

Quick white supremacy check of this website:

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Thank God, it's safe.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

I think this is sort of true, but to fairly consider government spending against Medicare, SSI, and Medicaid (the programs you are referencing that account for just over 50% of the federal budget) I do think you need to consider the taxes the government collects that are directly related to those programs.

For example: Of the $3.8T that the federal government spends I believe a little over $1T comes from Social Security and Medicare taxes. We spend about $2.3T per year on the aforementioned programs, so the real 'unfunded' annual burden is $1.3T.

I'm personally against socialism as a governmental system and the 'free stuff' mentality, but I'm also against gross income inequality and I do believe that the purpose of the government is to provide a basic safety net in some instances, as well as to promote behavior that is good for the nation as a whole.

To the end, I'm in favor of steps to significantly reduce tuition costs, but I'm not for 'free college'. College need to be affordable so that we have an educated populous, but people should have 'skin in the game'. We should also offer significant incentives for people to be trained in fields that are likely to benefit the US economy over the long term. This would allow for wages for Americans.

I also think that the lottery we force many people to play with Healthcare costs is a problem that should be addressed. I'll give you an example: My son had a seizure a few months ago and went to the hospital in an ambulance (he has been fine since, but it was terrifying at the time). He was treated and released same day and received very little care outside of the ambulance ride, and I have good insurance. I had to pay $1500 out of pocket for the whole thing. Fortunately that amount of money is non consequential for me, but for the average American wage earner that would be a big deal.

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Public reps. Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

"Socialism," this election cycle's "Muslims" or "Mexicans."

Need to keep stoking the fear of the other.

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lol as if people haven't been marching in the streets about trump being hitler since the day he got elected and presidents and presidential candidates have been describing half the country as virulent racists, nazis, and deplorables. spare me this fake bs.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Come on. You guys are (presumably) intelligent individuals. Those are all examples of dictatorships that happen to be 'socialist' but are, first and foremost, dictatorships. If you guys really don't see the difference between Maduro, Lenin, Mao, et al. and Canada (for example) I don't know how you get through your daily lives without sticking a fork in an electrical socket or eating a rock.

There are many examples in Western Europe, and elsewhere, of the type of Socialism that is generally being advocated for and it is far less stark of a picture than a socialist dictatorship.

And yes, I know that some of the jackoff candidates on the left are advocating for some pretty crazy shit, but they are probably just going to end up with Biden because Elizabeth Warren and Bernie are nutso and there aren't enough people that actualyl want a socialist government anyways.

People who are concerned about Venezuela should be more worried about Trump attempting to break down many of the checks and balances that have traditionally protected us from authoritarianism - that is the real threat. There are plenty of right wing dictatorships throughout history that generally don't look much different than the left wing ones.

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but why would we want to emulate those european countries or canada? they should emulate us.

it's very difficult to wave away the socialism in the democratic party. biden just said yesterday that he thinks we have an obligation to provide health care for illegal immigrants. there is no candidate in the entire party that hasn't advocated a borderline insane position at some point. they are all infected by the bat-shit crazy base to some extent. you have no reasonable candidates.

"it is far less stark of a picture than a socialist dictatorship." talk about your ringing endorsement

This presidential election is going to be an incredible landslide....I cant wait to see the extreme left get triggered.

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Originally Posted by scoscox

biden just said yesterday that he thinks we have an obligation to provide health care for illegal immigrants.

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What he hasn’t made clear is if he means emergency care only, or total healthcare. Big difference between those two positions!


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Originally Posted by scoscox

lol as if people haven't been marching in the streets about trump being hitler since the day he got elected and presidents and presidential candidates have been describing half the country as virulent racists, nazis, and deplorables. spare me this fake bs.

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I'd like to spare you the flame throwing of Mexican rapists, and Muslim bans, and socialism scare mongering.
Unfortunately you'd have to talk to the people who do it. Call Alex Jones or Tucker and see if they'll listen.

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Originally Posted by Xville

This presidential election is going to be an incredible landslide..

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There's 12 million more Democrats than Republicans registered, so you may be right...

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I'd like to spare you the flame throwing of Mexican rapists, and Muslim bans, and socialism scare mongering.
Unfortunately you'd have to talk to the people who do it. Call Alex Jones or Tucker and see if they'll listen.

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pretending to be concerned about scaremongering from any leftist is rich. leftists have told us 1. the economy would crash beyond salvaging if trump was elected 2. trump is hitler 3. ending net neutrality would lead to deaths 4. ending obamacare would lead to mass death 5. leaving the paris climate accords would lead to deaths 6. every conservative in this country is a white supremacist, nazi, deplorable 7. trump colluded with the russians 8. russian facebook memes stole the election 9. the world will end in 12 years due to global warming 10. police officers are indiscriminately gunning down unarmed black men all over the country

scaremongering is all the democrats know how to do.

let me know when you call rachel maddow, nancy pelosi, barack obama, hillary clinton, and chuck shumer and tell them to cut it out

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

There's 12 million more Democrats than Republicans registered, so you may be right...

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yes, trump may lose new york and california