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"University of Miami (FL) has concluded its preliminary COVID-19 study, which found ~165,000 Miami-Dade residents (or 6%) had antibodies, nearly 16x the number of cases reported by the state health department. This puts the fatality rate at ~0.14% there."
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...242260406.html
And more on why we are all paying for the situation in NYC:
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Jordan Schachtel
@JordanSchachtel
Hundreds, if not thousands of people in NYC died because political officials decided to send hospitalized patients still infected with virus back into nursing homes, resulting in the virus wiping out people throughout the rest of the facility.
How is this not front page news?
Duh...democratic governor..cant dare say something bad about one of their boysQuote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Differences were:Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
1.) NYC response was absolutely effing horrible. Cuomo is a fucktard.
2.) Trump's response was extremely late, and left the states to their own devices. South Korea made things mandated federally. Trump is also a fucktard.
3.) Korea had testing immediately and efficiently, we didnt, because we have a government of fucktards that would rather blame each other for absolutely everything and spend time o stupid shit like impeachment proceedings than a pending pandemic.
So, to wrap this up. South korea is smart, we are fucktards.
Who had a brother who got Corona, broke quarantine, threatened another person, and also used bleach baths for treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
(And I agree Trump's questions about light and disinfectant were dumb before everyone thinks I'm being one sided)
Cuomo and trump..both New Yorkers, both idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Today’s Reality Check for Ohio:
Model Projection of new Cases per Day (Mitigated) 2,000 on April 17. (Projected peak Today 4/22 shows 1,850 per OSU model)
1. Today's Actual new reported Cases: 421 - Down 54 from yesterday’s new of 475 (22 Probable/Assumed cases today.)
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1380 Monday with 56 probable/assumed- A LOT from the Marion County prison
2. Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 3,115 (up only 62from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago.
Where are the Marion County cases?
3. Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 938 since reporting began a month ago (up only 18 from yesterday and 2 less of an increase than prior day)
Where are the Marion County cases??
4. New Deaths today: 22 to 711 total (that’s 12 less than prior day)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million
Testing or no testing the numbers are going down and even with the small sample of testing, testing, testing in Marion County, the numbers of hospitalizations and ICU admits keep going down. I thought somebody a few days ago said that it was only a matter of time before Marion showed up in the hospital. Welp......
I feel like I’m yelling in the void here. This testing ruse is a sham to infringe upon individual freedom that this country was built upon and the testing numbers are empty and irrelevant. But you do you.
Ok.....I guess the worry warts are losing steam *on here*
Today’s Reality Check for Ohio:
Model Projection of new Cases per Day (Mitigated) 2,000 on April 17. (Projected Today 4/26 shows 1,800 per OSU model)
1. Today's Actual new reported Cases: 376 - Down 45 from yesterday’s new of 421
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1380 Monday with 56 probable/assumed- A LOT from the Marion County prison. Never anywhere NEAR the projected peak. NEVER
2. Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 3,178 (up only 63 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago.
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after all that Testing
3. Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 952 since reporting began a month and a half ago (up only 14 from yesterday and 4 less of an increase than prior day)
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after Testing??
4. New Deaths today: 17 to 728 total (that’s 5 less than prior day)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million
Testing or no testing the numbers are going down and even with the small sample of testing, testing, testing in Marion County, the numbers of hospitalizations and ICU admits keep going down. Where was the onslaught and why is this state still on lockdown when the precautions are working?
Other interesting numbers. All the media is crazy with the fact that the US has the most deaths of any other country at over 54,000.
The thing that they always conveniently leave out is that A) Over half the deaths are in two states- New York and New Jersey. B) The Death rate per million of population in the US is one of the lower ones of fully developed countries. Consider these rankings:
-Belgium, 612 per million
-Spain, 496
-Italy- 441
-France- 350
-UK- 305
-Holland, 241
-Ireland, 220
-Sweden, 217
-Switzerland, 186
-United States, 166
Know who you don't see? China. Their "reported" death rate is 3 per million. Hmmmm.
By the way. Ohio's Death Rate per million is 63.
Yeah, we haven't been perfect, but the way the media likes to portray it, our government has been just criminally negligent. Uh, I'd submit that Mayor "Live your Life, I'm going to the Gym" DeBlabbio might be that guy.
Houston Looking at Dismantling $17M Temp Hospital That Didn't See a Single Patient
https://www.westernjournal.com/houst...ingle-patient/
Translation per the panic stricken MSM:Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
1) If it doesn't happen in New York it doesn't happen.
2) If it happens in New York and it's bad it's not guys in New York's fault, it's the Federal Government. (So the Feds are responsible to bail their sinking asses out).
By the way. I'm giving most of my Stimulus money to charity- some to Xavier. Some of you Fat Cats on here might consider doing the same.
Whoa Nellie. Are you saying I shouldn't drink this Lysol?
Great call! Did the same with Xavier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
I believe the fine print indicates it’s better used as an enema. Don’t quote me on that. My eyes aren’t good enough for fine print.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Talk about New York meets LA. Threatening somebody for giving you shit is as New York as it gets. The bleach bath is pure LA, baby. I also can't find where Chris actually admitted to using a bleach bath, just his wife (who seems pretty kooky-dooks). It's probably likely that he did though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Here is my favorite quote from the article about it:
That woman is craaaaaazy. I'm surprised essential oils didn't get mentioned at all.Quote:
“I added a small amount—1/4 to ½ cup ONLY—of Clorox to a full bath of warm water (80 gallons),” Cuomo wrote Wednesday.
Cuomo, the wife of CNN anchor and COVID-19 patient Chris Cuomo, said she was following the advice of her doctor, energy medicine and homeopathic physician Linda Lancaster, who suggested she “take a bath and add a tiny amount of bleach, and I mean a 1/4 cup of bleach which in an 80 gallon water tub is a ratio of 1:5000.”
“Why?” she added. “To combat the radiation and metals in my system and oxygenate it.”
The explosion of “alternative” medicine in this country (mostly by suburban and hipster white women) absolutely shocks me. They’ll tell you all this stuff in your life is bad for you and then use some unproven treatments/supplements that have zero scientific backing.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
It's interesting, because based on the people I know who are into crazy alternative medicine (usually essential oils, but not limited to that) it's pretty bi-partisan. You have the super-crunchy far left nutjobs on one side and the everything 'the man' tells us is good for us is bad, far right nutjobs. The one thing they agree on is that Frankincense will cure everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
It's also 100% suburban white women.
I'll give you the white women part, but every urban hipster female, I've ever met would fall into this category as well... WhackadoodlesQuote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Legitimate question(s) for all the parents on the board...at what point do you allow your kid(s) to play with their friends? At what point do you allow your kid(s) to play team sports? Are you going to require proof of a negative test from the parents of your kids' friends? Are you going to require negative tests from your kids' opponents? Will you allow your kid to go swimming at the neighborhood pool this Summer?
Basically, at what point are you going to let your kid resume being a kid? My wife and I have debated this for the last couple weeks and I'm curious to know what others are thinking.
We never stopped our kids playing with their neighborhood friends. (At least before we went to Utah for two weeks to be away from everyone.) Here the leagues are telling us that baseball games are to start back up May 11 for one son and May 27 for the other. Stay at home order is ending in one week, so baseball practice will start in a week. We're likely to send my daughter back to the gym (for gymnastics) for small groups once the gym reopens, which is expected to be in maybe two weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamont Sanford
My kids are still kids and doing what they can to stay active. My college son to stay in shape works out regularly with a group of other kids who need to do the same as they need to stay prepared. They also hang out together at night at someone’s house. Not sure why I wouldn’t let them continue to be kids. They are all healthy as are their families as far as I know. The other parents seem ok with it as well. I also live in KY and it’s not New York. My kids are not going to go hang with my mom anytime soon though. As for pools I am fine with that too. Teenagers have very little risk with this thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamont Sanford
Interesting take by a couple of ER / Urgent Care doctors.
https://youtu.be/gNTHuCOjAy8
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Harvard says social distancing may need to last until 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
These ER doctors say that there is no need for it at all anymore.
GLAD WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE!!
These are urgent care doctors (and entrepreneurs which is important) that are seeing their numbers and income decimated. There is some credence to what they are saying but there are some fallouts. Again the urgent care doctor compared this to the flu. Anyone who has worked directly in an intensive care setting with these patients will tell you without hesitation it’s disease course is far more serious than the flu. It’s easy to make that comparison but anyone that does is using it to validate an opinion or has ulterior motives. One quick look at NYC shows this is not the flu.
Lastly they are applying their sample of tests to the general population. As a sample size itself it is large enough, however their sample is not random, it is symptomatic urgent care patients. So I don’t want to assume these doctors are looking for publicity but they did go on the news and made sure their brand was known.
Everyone is frustrated and wants to get back to normal. There is not a good solution other than slowly open it up and have everyone practice good hygiene.
We are in New Jersey so our situation is a little different than many/most of the posters on this board, I would gather. I'm fortunate that my 3 boys are all very close in age, so while they do miss school and miss their friends, they have a play group within the family. At 6 and 4 they also don't really understand social distancing and health precautions very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamont Sanford
I'm hoping that by Memorial day our neighborhood pool can open and we can start resuming more regular social interactions including having the kids play with some friends, ideally assuming that their families are taking similar precautions.
I thought those guys seemed pretty clearly biased and kind of douchey. They also kept referencing their 'data' without going into much detail about it, other than that it contradicted virtually all other (larger sample size) data we have thus far around COVID-19. They didn't share specifics and had some talking points that seemed inaccurate based on what we know, without much analytical support.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
They also went into a little spiel about 'this being about control' which is where my spidey sense really kicked into gear. I think that the CDC can definitely be wrong about this. They are almost certainly being extremely cautious. I don't think they have some sort of master plan to 'control' people though. They are epidemiologists who are providing recommendations to stop the spread of a disease.
WAPO Article about US Death Rate
EDIT: Here is an interesting article that directly contradicts these Doctors' claim that we are overstating COVID deaths and would suggest we are understating COVID-19 deaths. Death rate remains a question mark due to testing.
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Originally Posted by xubrew
So......the guys who own the Urgent Care say let’s get back out there! Does someone need a bigger boat?
Let’s get ready to MINGLE!!!
:-)
Taps Mike “Is this On?”......
Today’s Reality Check for Ohio:
Model Projection of new Cases per Day (Mitigated) 2,000 on April 17. (Projected Today 4/26 shows 1,301 per OSU model)
1. Today's Actual new reported Cases: 362 - Down 14 from yesterday’s new of 376
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1380 last Monday 4/20 with 56 probable/assumed- A LOT from the Marion County prison. Never anywhere NEAR the projected peak. NEVER
2. Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 3,232 (up only 54from yesterday and 8 less than day before) since reporting began over a month ago.
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after all that Testing over a week ago?
3. Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 978 since reporting began a month and a half ago (up only 26 from yesterday.)
Where are the Marion County cases that were supposed to swamp after Testing??
4. New Deaths today: 25 to 753 total.
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million
The models still suck, the testing is allegedly up (resulting in empty numbers) and the cases keep going down as do Hospitalizations & ICU numbers of admissions, yet this governor refuses to acknowledge the realities on the ground and is keeping retail, restaurants, gyms and salons closed for at least another two weeks.
We have now entered an alternative reality in Ohio, where over-caution and mind melding with Amy Acton have taken over common sense. I am sick of DeWine’s weak gravelly voice and Acton’s overly solicitous comments. DeWine acts like that there are no consequences for keeping these places closed. Welp,
I guess when he decides to “throw the doors open” and, uh, the doors don’t open, then he’ll pay the price. And there are gonna be a lot of places that won’t open.
I hope Dana Gardens isn’t one of them.
Is DeWine really saying that he is definitely going to keep Ohio closed for another 2 weeks? With those numbers I would expect some things to open sooner. Maybe not Gyms and Salons but non-essential retail and business (with some guidelines and precautions).
DeWine has said that restaurants, bars, salons, and gyms, at minimum cannot reopen until at least May 18. He is absolutely screwing the small businessman and restaurantuers like Michael Symon and our own 94Grad. This has become ridiculous. A lot of these one shop retailers and food purveyors will never reopen. At this point the state is screwing itself over faulty data and they refuse to walk it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
The fear mongering has taken over reality
Exactly! Typing from here in Georgia, it can be done wisely.......which would mean gyms, hair salons, tattoo and massage parlors would be in the LAST wave to open! You know, the places where you spend an hour or more with people touching each other and breathing on each other! Why not the bakery or the yarn shop? In and out, limited to no contact whatsoever. Almost EVERY business is a better choice than what we have open in Georgia!Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Ohio Reopening schedule:
May 1: All healthcare, dental
May 4: Offices, Construction, Manufacturing previously deemed “nonessential”
May 12: Retail and service
There are also strict sanitation practices among other measures to contain disease spreading.
I guess the Medical Lobby in Ohio (read Acton Plus) is stronger than the retailers/restaurateurs/Stylists.
Remember Hospitals reporting losing millions, laying off workers & shutting down clinics because they couldn’t do elective surgeries? Welp, handled.
And this goes right to the point I’ve been railing about. There has been this insistence on relying on these models to base decisions on so the hospitals wouldn’t be “overrun”. EVERY freaking model projection has been totally wrong- and not even close. So DeWine and Acton keep relying on these models, never get questions about it, they take too long to let these hospitals get back up to speed, and now they are doing the exact wrong delays with business. Mark my words. There will be a lot of vacant space in Ohio in July. And you can now blame DewActon for it. They are a week too late starting and will be 2 weeks too late with retail. Restaurants may be already dead.
But, YAY SCIENTIFIC MODELS!! I’m sure the Global Warming ones are waaaaaaay more accurate!!
This will not be good depending on how long they demand these measures. First companies have to provide a mask for every customer to enter a business, if the person refuses they can’t come in. There will also be a lot of added costs to businesses as well to provide extra cleaning supplies, expensive temporal thermometers and masks. So businesses that open will have to take on extra cost and fewer customers but still have to pay large rents. But I guess the government will keep throwing money at everything. Good luck with all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Then you have the Governor of KY. He is a clown show.
https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/
Cant believe I have to deal with this clown for another three years. Those complaining about dewine, just look at this fool. Wearing a cloth mask is basically useless...so fucking stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
I haven’t been following kentucky that much bc I don’t live in the state but it seems like his press conferences are an hour or two after Dewine’s and he just repeats the same stuff, as if almost to wait to see what Dewine says and just copy him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Does that mean that his pressers are at 11:30pm, because DeWines have become errrr, ponderous, lengthy and fluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
So, the original premise with shutting down non-essential healthcare was to ensure that the ESSENTIAL healthcare providers had the necessary PPE to continue their mission. Has the PPE issue been solved? I thought it was still an issue to some extent even with Battelle sterilizing masks. How does adding more use of PPE help the essential healthcare in Ohio? I am all for opening things up that make sense, but is this the way to go right off the bat? I think those doctors who aren't making any $$$ have the ear of Dr. Acton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
While PPE was a factor, the main premise of shutting down non-essential healthcare services was disease control. It was and still is not well understood if asymptomatic positive test individuals are spreading disease. Performing surgery on someone who unknowingly has COVID could cause problems and potentially contaminate the nurses/providers and an entire wing of the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by muskiefan82
There has been discussion for a few weeks with healthcare leaders and the Govt that the trickle down effect of people avoiding the offices and “non-essential” services will also be felt. As much as telemedicine has been helpful the quality of care is generally lower and health declines. I can say that it was discussed to open healthcare first (even earlier than May 1) because healthcare facilities have experience is infection control. Asking a small retail shop to keep clients at a distance, wipe down counters, enforce masking and temp logs is a lot to ask. That’s routine stuff for a doctors office, so it’s easier to trust they will follow through with recommendations.