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Seriously, how many times are you REALLY going to stop responding to me. I mean, you keep promising, and yet, here we are. I bet you REALLY, REALLY mean it this time, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
BTW, still waiting for your refutation on the CDC guidelines that state that the virus is transmitted when within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes. Facts can be a real bitch sometimes.
Scientology?? Hmm, I wonder where you got that one... sounds real familiar....
OMG, you can't make this shit up! Another idiot pro-mask lockdowner caught breaking his own rules. This time it's the gov of NJ: https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/22/p...onavirus-mask/
Also, looks like the gov of IL is going to break the no-travel ban for Thanksgiving: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/il...-leave-chicago
How many times are you going to let these elitist bastards make fools of you?
Lou, look, we're generally on the same side. But did you watch the video of the NJ governor, or just react to a headline? He was at a restaurant with his family actively eating - not just sitting at their table, but actively putting food into their mouths. Not only does that negate the claim he "wasn't wearing a mask", but makes the woman attacking them look like an absolute psycho bitch. As much as I can't stand DeWine and his stupid policy, I'd have the respect to let him have a meal with his family. This kind of behavior hurts the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Taco I think you may have missed my point. By "red herring" I mean an unimportant detail that is distracting from the bigger picture. I'm encouraging people to not fight the mask battle (i.e., just wear the damn thing and be quiet), instead channel that energy to the fight against lockdowns. If masks don't work and we've been wearing them, little if any harm done. If lockdowns cause greater death and harm then they prevent, unimaginable and irreversible harm has been done.
Now COVID has taken quick change from us. RIP
https://apnews.com/article/politics-...fb4900ee2027d5
Very significant change.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is set to shorten the recommended length of quarantine after exposure to someone who is positive for COVID-19, as the virus rages across the nation.
According to a senior administration official, the new guidelines, which are set to be released as soon as Tuesday evening, will allow people who have come in contact to someone infected with the virus to resume normal activity after 10 days, or 7 days if they receive a negative test result. That’s down from the 14-day period recommended since the onset of the pandemic.
Completely makes sense. Could help the Musketeers if BE adopts new change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Well, shit, my 14 day quarantine (and 24 days from work) was a waste! Wait, I kind of liked the 24 days from work. Tomorrow is day 24, and I think I'm going to extend it to 29 and just go back next Monday. To be...safe.
My wife’s “quarantine/shutdown” has been about 9 months. She’s gone to the local a few office times to get files and things she needs. Her three weeks +/- a month flying around the country has gone to zero. The bank intends to keep almost everyone at home until at least April.
Even when the world gets back to “normal”, it’s been proven that the waste of time and money is totally unnecessary. If ANYTHING good comes of this mess, a lot of people will have better work lives moving forward.
Quarantine on, my friend!
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I can't believe no one has commented on the news reported last week that "COVID-19 infections in US likely 8 times higher than reported, CDC says" (1) I guess I will, since there are several profound implications. If we assume that all of the "official" data is correct, this is what this study means:
#1) Officially, there are currently almost 14 million cases (2) in the U.S. This means that because of unreported cases - estimated to be 8 times the reported number - then roughly 112 million people in the U.S. has had Covid - that's roughly one-third of the population!
#2) As a result of the higher case numbers, the death rates for Covid are much lower. In fact, it's in the range of the seasonal flu. The following are flu stats from the CDC (3) for the last 10 years:
Flu Season / Cases / Deaths / Death Rate
2010-2011 / 21,000,000 / 37,000 / 0.18%
2011-2012 / 9,300,000 / 12,000 / 0.13%
2012-2013 / 34,000,000 / 43,000 / 0.13%
2013-2014 / 30,000,000 /38,000 / 0.13%
2014-2015 / 30,000,000 / 51,000 / 0.17%
2015-2016 / 24,000,000 / 23,000 / 0.10%
2016-2017 / 29,000,000 / 38,000 / 0.13%
2017-2018 / 45,000,000 / 61,000 / 0.14%
2018-2019 / 36,000,000 / 34,000 / 0.09%
2019-2020 / 38,000,000 / 22,000 / 0.06%
Assuming the 8X estimates, this would be the actual numbers for Covid thru 12/2:
Cases / Deaths / Death Rate
109,688,000 / 264,522 / 0.24%
For the life of the Pandemic, the 0.24% death rate is roughly double the seasonal flu. However, if we look at the last 6 months, and the last 3 months, the death rates are now actually in-line with the flu. The lower rates are the result of better treatments that doctors have learned over time. They also reflect the end of bad policies in which governors placed Covid patients inside nursing homes - an unmitigated disaster for those residents. Here is the more recent data:
Covid (6/1 thru 12/2): 95,359,488 / 164,006 / 0.17%
Covid (9/1 thru 12/2): 61,889,056 / 88,866 / 0.14%
So why are there so many more total deaths for Covid versus the flu? The biggest reason is that roughly 40% the population gets a flu vaccine - and roughly two-thirds of senior citizens get a vaccine (4). Thus, the most vulnerable are protected. Additionally, the vaccine acts to achieve herd immunity much earlier in the life of the virus.
#3) With roughly one-third of the population estimated to have already contracted Covid, this would mean that we are roughly half-way to achieving herd immunity (5). Most studies report that herd immunity is achieved when 60-70% of the population is infected. We are currently recording more than one million cases per week. This means that we are on pace to reach 28 million "official" cases in less than 12 weeks or so - if the current pace continues. If you apply the 8X figure from the CDC study, that means that roughly 224 million people will have contracted the virus by then - or roughly 68% of the population. It's going to be a race against time to get the vaccines out in order to make any type of meaningful impact. In other words, in my view, the virus will have mostly run its course before the vaccines can be administered in large numbers. In my opinion, this virus is going to peak in mid-January or so, and will be on the wane by late February - assuming that all of the "official" numbers and the 8X study is correct.
#4) Again, if we assume that the estimate that one-third of the population has already had Covid, it provides further proof that lockdowns and masks do not work. I'm sorry, but the virus is gonna virus, and there's very little we can practically do to control it. We are social beings....
1) https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...247457275.html
2) https://covidtracking.com/data/national
3) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
4) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/c...9estimates.htm
5) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02948-4