Covid-19

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Originally Posted by X-man

Which part of these direct quotes from Trump, “People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots” or "But Fauci is a disaster” or “'He wants to listen to Dr. Fauci,' Trump said of Biden at the rally", don't you understand?

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If you watched trump in this instance, instead of just believing whatever the MSM states what he meant to fit their narrative, you would know that everything he is referring to is the fear porn that keeps increasing every time Fauci speaks. That's what he means by a disaster and tired of hearing him speak. People are tired of living in fear, and are frankly burnt out on hearing about covid. That is completely different than the way your beloved msm interprets it, which is that trump is the antichrist and hates science, Fauci, rainbows and kicks puppies.

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Originally Posted by Xville

If you watched trump in this instance, instead of just believing whatever the MSM states what he meant to fit their narrative, you would know that everything he is referring to is the fear porn that keeps increasing every time Fauci speaks. That's what he means by a disaster and tired of hearing him speak. People are tired of living in fear, and are frankly burnt out on hearing about covid. That is completely different than the way your beloved msm interprets it, which is that trump is the antichrist and hates science, Fauci, rainbows and kicks puppies.

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This is some pretty interesting logic - so basically we have a Pandemic going on, but if we just get tired if it we should opt out of acknowledging it as a reality in which we have to live? Somehow wholesale rejection of reality is an appropriate counter measure to a media that is sensationalizing the virus?

This is exactly the kind of 'take the easy way out' bullshit that I would expect from Donald Trump. He sells simple answers for simple people. "I know you are tired of hearing about the virus. Don't worry, it will go away. Don't listen to almost every qualified infectious disease specialist either. They are idiots. Listen to me - the guy who is telling you what you want to hear."

There is ample footing of Donald Trump saying almost unbelievably stupid shit about the virus (and all manner of things, really). Nobody has to rely on the media's interpretation of it.

Gray area, bitches. Death overcount.
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1321216661819592705?s=20

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Originally Posted by boozehound

This is some pretty interesting logic - so basically we have a Pandemic going on, but if we just get tired if it we should opt out of acknowledging it as a reality in which we have to live? Somehow wholesale rejection of reality is an appropriate counter measure to a media that is sensationalizing the virus?

This is exactly the kind of 'take the easy way out' bullshit that I would expect from Donald Trump. He sells simple answers for simple people. "I know you are tired of hearing about the virus. Don't worry, it will go away. Don't listen to almost every qualified infectious disease specialist either. They are idiots. Listen to me - the guy who is telling you what you want to hear."

There is ample footing of Donald Trump saying almost unbelievably stupid shit about the virus (and all manner of things, really). Nobody has to rely on the media's interpretation of it.

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Is this how we made WWII and Vietnam go away? It must have been exhausting. Change the channel or close our eyes? FIXED!!!

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Originally Posted by boozehound

This is some pretty interesting logic - so basically we have a Pandemic going on, but if we just get tired if it we should opt out of acknowledging it as a reality in which we have to live? Somehow wholesale rejection of reality is an appropriate counter measure to a media that is sensationalizing the virus?

This is exactly the kind of 'take the easy way out' bullshit that I would expect from Donald Trump. He sells simple answers for simple people. "I know you are tired of hearing about the virus. Don't worry, it will go away. Don't listen to almost every qualified infectious disease specialist either. They are idiots. Listen to me - the guy who is telling you what you want to hear."

There is ample footing of Donald Trump saying almost unbelievably stupid shit about the virus (and all manner of things, really). Nobody has to rely on the media's interpretation of it.

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Geezus. Dont think he is saying that either, but alrighty.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Gray area, bitches. Death overcount.
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1321216661819592705?s=20

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Not saying that some (small) portion of deaths aren't being over counted, but relying on a twitter feed from a consistently and aggressively right wing pundit, whose source appears to be another twitter feed from someone called 'woke zombie' seems at least a little questionable.

My assumption without having all the facts would be that someone could be counted as a death this week while having tested positive for the virus 6 months ago if they were either (1) on a ventilator for the past 6 months and recently removed, or (2) potentially died of clear complications from COVID, which is also a thing that can happen. Those are also 14 deaths out of 14K in New Jersey alone.

Honest question: Why is the same standard used to critique the 'mainstream media' not applied to alternative right wing sources? It seems like it's always 'Can you believe how biased the msm is? Anyways, check out this link to Glenn Beck's twitter feed! He makes some really good points!"

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Originally Posted by Xville

Geezus. Dont think he is saying that either, but alrighty.

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I think that's pretty much exactly what he is saying. We are 4 years into this shit show with countless hours of footage of Trump saying (repeatedly) almost unbelievably stupid things. Then doubling down on those stupid things. Not even stupid things for a President. Just stupid things for a person. Every time it happens a bunch of people sift through mountains of subtext to explain what he 'really meant', or 'He's just trolling the msm', or other explanation. It seems like there is more evidence to support that he is just an incredibly flawed human being who is unbelievably out of his league as the President of the United States of America. It's unfortunately being even more exposed because there is a global crisis right now.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Not saying that some (small) portion of deaths aren't being over counted, but relying on a twitter feed from a consistently and aggressively right wing pundit, whose source appears to be another twitter feed from someone called 'woke zombie' seems at least a little questionable.

My assumption without having all the facts would be that someone could be counted as a death this week while having tested positive for the virus 6 months ago if they were either (1) on a ventilator for the past 6 months and recently removed, or (2) potentially died of clear complications from COVID, which is also a thing that can happen. Those are also 14 deaths out of 14K in New Jersey alone.

Honest question: Why is the same standard used to critique the 'mainstream media' not applied to alternative right wing sources? It seems like it's always 'Can you believe how biased the msm is? Anyways, check out this link to Glenn Beck's twitter feed! He makes some really good points!"

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C'mon, you can't be serious. The source was data pulled from the NJ Covid website. Data actually showing that 4 of these deaths had a case date 4 to 6 months ago. Your assumption is preposterous.

Overtesting + False positives + financial incentive = Cases overcount = Death overcount.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

C'mon, you can't be serious. The source was data pulled from the NJ Covid website. Data actually showing that 4 of these deaths had a case date 4 to 6 months ago. Your assumption is preposterous.

Overtesting + False positives + financial incentive = Cases overcount = Death overcount.

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So what % do you believe there to be an overcount? Do you believe every COVID death has been captured? What about false negatives, which far outweigh false positives en vivo? Bottom line is it sounds like you believe this is overblown, is that a fair assumption? You didn’t reply to my previous critique on the article you posted on masking so it’s tough to know where you stand BUT you have posted recently in this thread that cases and deaths are overcounted, masks are ineffective, and testing is useless and perhaps counterproductive since we don’t know each tests’ amplification cycle rate. I guess I’m not sure what argument you ar making, if any, or just playing devils advocate.

Been in contact with a friend in Switzerland. She said that the country was ready to go into their second lockdown. The next day I looked up Europe and saw that shit is really starting to hit the Covid fan.

I have many people from different backgrounds come into my office. A lot of times I'll say, 'so, how are you dealing with all of this Covid crap. I had one lady tell me that her mom passed away in her sleep. She was in her 90's. The death certificate said cause of death was Covid. She was angry while telling me this and said that she had to fight to get that removed. Another gentleman told me that his son had died in a motorcycle accident and it was reported as a Covid death. He too fought to have the death certificate changed. I believed them both. The woman was very angry and the man went on for five minutes about how horrible it is to lose a child. These were both in the Cincinnati area

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Could be. I was actually just comparing first wave to second, and Sweden was the only one I saw whose second wave was not as bad as its first. Everyone else was worse. Usually much worse. However, turns out of the three you mentioned Norway's second wave also isn't as bad yet. I missed them the first time flipping through the map.

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Updating...with today's data, Sweden's second wave (by cases) has exceeded its first wave peak. And Norway has tied its first wave peak. So all of Europe is seeing more cases in the second wave than in the first (which, I am sure, has something to do with more widespread testing now as well).