When the sitting president continues to botch his response to a global pandemic by ignoring science for 6+ months, and he’s up for re-election, a new precedent is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
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When the sitting president continues to botch his response to a global pandemic by ignoring science for 6+ months, and he’s up for re-election, a new precedent is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
Can you provide your condensed version of what this says. I can read the report, I just want to hear your version directly from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
Masks are resulting in more cases than if they weren't used at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
If that is what you came away with from this report, I strongly suggest that you brush up on your reading comprehension skills. There is nothing in this report remotely suggesting what you state are its conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
Curious to hear what you think could have been done better or more effectively without massive shutdowns of the entire country which would have had devastating effects both economically and socially.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowDownDBrown
This guy was the former head of the CDC under Carter and Reagan, and organized the national and global response to eradicate smallpox.
He had some ides like you are seeking in the letter he wrote to the current head of the CDC. Perhaps they are instructive:
Letter: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ge-Letter.html
Article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...st/5899724002/
All you need to do is look at the two picture charts. A child could do it. And there are more out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-man
Final conclusion:Wash your hands ———- If you are sick, stay home!
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Originally Posted by paulxu
As usual, this is a complete nothingburger, published as a hit piece. This is pure Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Paul, please show us what Joe Biden would do - with specific plans that differ from what the Trump Admin was doing at the time - and only use contemporaneous sources where Joe or the Democrats explained their plan to handle the problem. No after the fact, "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".
Here's what I remember (warning: this ain't pretty):
Part 1:
1/9: CDC and FDA begin collaborating on a diagnostic test for the novel coronavirus.
1/21: CDC’s Dr. Nancy Messonier “announced that a few days earlier the CDC had ‘finalized development’ of its test and used it to confirm the first coronavirus infection in the US
1/24: Politico reports that the Trump administration held a briefing on the coronavirus for senators, but it was “sparsely attended” in part because it “was held on the same day as a deadline for senators to submit their impeachment questions.” “The initial thought from the Dems, I think, is that we were trying to distract from impeachment,” a GOP Senate aide told Politico. The outlet added that a White House official “recalled feeling surprised at the ‘incredibly’ poor attendance, noting that it came ‘even though the amount of concern expressed then was rather intense.’”
1/27: The Biden campaign, including its top coronavirus adviser Ron Klain, praise China for being “transparent” and “candid.” Speaking to Axios, Klain asserts: “I think what you’d have to say about China is, it’s been more transparent and more candid than it has been during past outbreaks, though still there’s problems with transparency and candor.” Even as he says there were “many” areas in which China hasn’t been transparent, Klain asserts that China had helpfully released a “sequence of the virus.” Klain goes on to say there isn’t “any reason” for anyone to postpone essential travel to anywhere except the Wuhan area. In fact, China reportedly destroyed virus samples rather than release them.
1/29: Trump announces Coronavirus Task Force
1/29: Zeke Emanuel, later added to Biden Task Force “I do think we need to put this somewhat into context. Which is… its likely to spread… it’s gonna get worse before it gets better. And we know that there will be people that unfortunately die from this. But, is this likely to break out into some major pandemic around the world? Unlikely. We’re likely to be able to contain it. Obviously it would have been better if we had done some containment earlier on and the Chinese had been a little more open earlier on. But these kinds of things are often hard to figure out about what the right measure is, especially when you don’t know how severe it’s going to be right at the start. But I would put in context we have tens of thousands of people in the United States who die every year from the flu…. Whatever this Coronavirus is, its very, very, very unlikely to be that severe. And yet our response, because its new and novel, tends to be much more histrionic I think than it is… We live with the flu, it’s just the flu but it also kills a lot of people. It may not kill at the same high rate but it does kill tens of thousands of Americans and your chance of getting it from colleagues is low.”
1/31: Trump orders China Travel Ban
1/31: Speaker Nancy Pelosi issues a statement about the Travel Ban: “The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law. The sweeping rule, barring more than 350 million individuals from predominantly African nations from traveling to the United States, is discrimination disguised as policy.
1/31: Former Vice President Joe Biden calls Trump’s travel ban “hysterical xenophobia” and “fear-mongering.”
1/31: CDC issues Federal quarantine for 14 days affecting 195 American evacuees from Wuhan, China.
Part 2:
2/2: Democrat New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot tweets: “As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus.”
2/3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.
2/5: The Senate acquits Trump on two counts of impeachment, in a widely expected result that dominated journalists’ and politicians’ attention for months.
2/5: The Trump Administration and health officials briefed lawmakers on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response efforts.
2/5: Senator Schumer: “The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants. There must be a check and Balance on those restrictions.”
2/7: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the United States has donated nearly 18 tons of medical supplies to China. [in hindsight, this may have been a mistake]
2/7: Democrat New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot strikes again, assuring residents, “We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life.”
2/7: During the DNC debate: “Bernie Sanders and Amy Klobuchar mentioned China, but only in the context of climate change. Pete Buttigieg said: “The next president is going to face challenges from global health security, like what we’re seeing coming out of China,” but he didn’t frame this as an immediate danger.”
2/9: Mark Levine, the chair of New York City Council health committee and a Democrat, tweets: “In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #LunarNewYear parade. Chants of ‘be strong Wuhan!’ If you are staying away, you are missing out!”
2/11: Klain, the Biden adviser, remarks that the evidence “suggests” the coronavirus won’t be a “serious pandemic.”
2/12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.
2/13: Joe Biden appears on The View. He does not mention Covid 19.
2/13: “There are ZERO confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York City, and hundreds of Chinese restaurants that need your business!” the New York City mayor’s office tweets. “There is nothing to fear. Stop by any Chinatown for lunch or dinner!” New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio adds: “It was my honor to spend time with our Asian-American owned small businesses in Flushing today. This vibrant community is standing strong but they need YOUR support. Our Chinatowns are open for business — make some dinner plans, do some shopping and stand with our neighbors!”
2/13: Biden advisor Klain praises de Blasio: “We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that.”
2/14: Azar told CNN that he and CDC director Redfield officially offered to send a CDC team into China on Jan. 6 but still had not received permission for them to enter the country. HHS oversees the CDC. “Dr. Redfield and I made the offer on January 6th – 36 days ago, 60,000 cases and 1,300 deaths ago,” Azar said. “We made the offer to send the CDC experts in to assist their Chinese colleagues to get to the bottom of key scientific questions like, how transmissible is this disease? What is the severity? What is the incubation period and can there be asymptomatic transmission?”
2/17: Fauci announces that the risk of coronavirus infection in the U.S. is “miniscule,” according to USA Today. Fauci, one of the top experts in the field and a senior White House coronavirus adviser, also told the paper that people shouldn’t wear masks unless they are contagious.
2/19: Dr. Lisa Monaco, later added to the Biden Task Force, compares the virus to the common flu. “I do think that kind of perspective is very important. Governor Cuomo recently said the common flu remains a far greater threat to New Yorkers so it’s important to keep that in perspective.”