I want him badly. This is a guy you nil big time for. He has big East material written all over himQuote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
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I want him badly. This is a guy you nil big time for. He has big East material written all over himQuote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
None of that is about parityQuote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
Interesting points but I don't think I agree with all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
1. 11 different MLB teams have won the last 15 World Series. So more than a few teams are capable of winning. That is over 1/3rd of the teams in MLB winning the last 15 years.
2. The NFL was ahead of its time. Wellington Mara (former owner of the Giants) was the one instrumental in instituting revenue sharing throughout the league to keep all teams competitive. His nickname was "The Duke". Because of his efforts every football used has "The Duke" on it. So I agree it has worked for the NFL. I think baseball is because of other issues, not because only a handful of teams can win. I am excited about some of the rule changes happening in baseball this year.
3. I think the opposite of what you are saying is true in college sports. Most casual fans aren't a big time fan of any one school. They tune in to watch the big boys. I can't tell you how many opinions I have read and heard the last few days on radio, in print, about how no blue bloods in the Final 4 is going to be awful for the Final 4 and no one is going to be interested or tune in. I think the same hold true to some extent for football. People will tune in to see Bama vs Ohio State in the CFP but couldn't care less about TCU vs. Washington.
Yep.. check out the ratings for the final four this year. I’m willing to bet they will be the lowest in quite some time. The ratings have been pretty bad this tourney and it’s because the big boys aren’t there outside of uconn. Everyone likes seeing Princeton and fau win their first game, then it’s ok let’s get to the big boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
yes, please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Hogwash!Quote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
Bringing in some beef!Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
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Originally Posted by MHettel
Maybe…..but it IS part of the NCAA rule book.
yeah, the part that is ignored in it's entirety.Quote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
The principle of Occam's Razor states the simplest answer is often the best. So, when someone says they feel less connected to a college team with high turnover and they believe the NIL is contributing to said level of turnover, well, that's a pretty simple answer. And, for me, one that is quite believable. That people disagree with you because they were not star college athletes doesn't, to me, seem like a well-considered thesis. It seems like it is intended as more of insult than an argument. Nor do I find it weird that others on this board may not share my opinion. One of the great benefits to this board, beyond sharing of information, is sharing of opinions. I am not bothered that you disagree with me nor will I attack you or insult you simply because you hold a different view.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
A fundamental premise of your argument seems to be that collegiate athletes are victims and coaches, administrations and, yes, even fans, like me, are oppressors. If that is accurate, I don't buy that premise. But that isn't to say that I don't also agree with some facets of NIL. I just think it appears to quickly be getting out of hand and I worry that I may lose the current connection with Xavier basketball.
I don't believe athletes should "know their place" or "shut up and not ask for anything". That's an old Obama ploy called the Straw Man Argument. State the other guy's argument in a negative, demeaning and inaccurate way----so exaggerated and misstated that its easily knocked down. I suppose we are inching closer to the nuclear argument that since many (if not most) college basketball players are African American, those of us questioning NIL are racist. Is that next?
No sense rehashing the impact NIL’s will have on college basketball. It’s done. The Portal fuels the NIL game. Without the Portal there would little activity. And the “ average “ member of this board has accepted the Portal. Souley Boum comes in for his last year eligibility and everyone accepts him like he was recruited out of high school. Board members will be encouraging Sean to go after certain players in the portal. And for him to let it be known to the “ off the books” independent NIL group to cough up some money for a player in the Portal. How could it work otherwise? My point simply being, using this Board as a barometer, everyone is accepting professionalism in amateur athletics. Go get the best you can afford . And as long as they wear a Xavier Jersey I will follow them no matter where they came from or will soon thereafter go.Quote:
Originally Posted by XUGRAD80
No, I do not think college athletes are victims. Never have said that. I just don't think there is anything wrong with them being able to make money (not even paid by the school) from people who want to pay them for their Name, Image, or Likeness. Why should there be a limit put on that? I just don't get why anyone would care about that. It just seems like old man yelling about back in my day stuff, but again to each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
I think you seem to be conflating NIL and the ability to transfer in the portal without penalty. Xavier could have 5 starters every year that all make 1million dollars a year who stay for 4 years and that would not result in any roster turnover. Xavier has not yet had a player who was really good at Xavier transfer for another program due to a good NIL offer. That may happen at some point but it hasn't yet.
However Xavier will have massive roster turnover next year, but mostly because it is Xavier who is telling the guys on the team they aren't in the future plans, not the other way around. I am very glad Miles, Tandy, Tucker, and company will get to go to (presumably) a lower level and not be punished by having to sit out a year.
Yep, top of my wish list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Fingers crossed! This looks like a Big East kind of guy! I fully trust Sean to pick the right guys, then coach them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Agreed, I like Ike. Any possibility we could find a transfer named Nixon to run with him[emoji38]Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
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Let’s get 6:7 forward Daniel Nixon to transfer from George Washington!Quote:
Originally Posted by Three Point Pete
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...yvion-mcknight
This guy will be visiting. Grab him and Ike and that’s one hell of a start!
Does anyone else think Freemantle could end up with Pitino at St. John's? Close to home, bright lights, MSG home games. Seems like something Mom & Dad would prefer.
I think anything with free is on the table, but pitino likes players that actually play defense. Free from the outside seems like someone who likes to be coddled.. pitino isn’t going to put up with that bs eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by JTG
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Originally Posted by Final4
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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
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Originally Posted by JTG
Or he could go back across the Hudson over to Seton Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Or RutgersQuote:
Originally Posted by X-band '01
Actually, that would be the Raritan River.
Not sure if it was mentioned here…
I see that Primo Spears and Posh Alexander have entered the portal. It appears X has shown interest (at least in Spears). I think either (or both) would be nice to get.
I'll start by noting that every player has strengths and weaknesses. That said, my concern with Spears is that he needs to have the ball and he shoots a lot. Now that may be a reflection on his teammates at GT but I have a difficult time seeing him operate successfully in an offense built around sharing the ball and generating assists.Quote:
Originally Posted by IM4X
Alexander is a ball hawking point guard. I think he led the conference in steals-----or was close to leading. Offensively, he reminds me of Odom. He can penetrate and dish but cannot shoot the three.
I watched this guy at Wofford for a few years. He's a wide body in the Charles Barkley mode.
Probably too late for him (Michigan is calling) but he has some nice words about X:
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticl...5/#207216265_1
So what’s your take on this? Will this be the future or college bball or does it die down slightly as we get through a cycle. Only being allowed to transfer once will eventually slow it down slightly,
But I think keeping 4-6 rotational players is the key. The new “core” might just be 4 guys. Maybe 3? Just going to be interesting how it goes Over next 5 years
My belief is that it will not slow down for some while, if ever. Moving from school to school is already prevalent at the HS level for lots of kids. Doing the same at the college level won’t be seen as abnormal. The introduction of social media and instant messaging into our society, along with live streaming of local events around the world, has made it easier for someone to leave “home” and still be able to maintain contacts in real time. If anything, we are becoming a more transitory society where “community” is not based upon where one lives, but is more based on who one associates or identifies with through social media. All of this makes it easier for someone to physically move from place to place and not get “home sick”. Kids are used to playing on all-star traveling teams where the members come from many different schools or communities. Situations where kids grow up playing all different levels with the same group of kids from their neighborhood or town from grade school to high school and beyond are a thing of the past for most kids. There is no loyalty to old State U anymore. It more about what’s in it for ME. Generation Z is really Generation ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier
ON3 has Graham Ike to Colorado 100%. He's from Colorado. They also have Kriisa to WVU or Nebraska for some reason.
We will see about ike, would love to get him. Kerr to me if he comes here, great but x is on guys that are just as good or imo better than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xuperman
All in all I trust that miller is going to get some dudes.. would love Ike though… those guys don’t come around much
Primo Spears is the mold of PG Miller loves. I think he would have to reign him in a little, but Spears is similar to Mark Lyons.Quote:
Originally Posted by IM4X
I think spears would be an awesome get and I think can be reeled in with proper coaching and a good cast around him. The guy obviously has a whole lot of talent.
Does anyone know if there is substance or any methodology behind these predictions? Are some sites more accurate than others? Would be an interesting project for someone (say Hettel) for extra credit of course, to spreadsheet some of these high confidence predictions and, after the fact, review their accuracy. Wonder if some positions, conferences or situations are harder (easier) to handicap than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xuperman
I'm not aware of anything that already exists. Its a good idea, but you'd have to pull the "data" from somewhere which would be the challenge. Lets say there were 4 or 5 different recruiting services that made predictions. You need to know what their final predictions were immediately prior to the decision and then determine if they were "right" or "wrong" in their prediction. I just dont think the "data" is available in large quantities to do that, and seems like it would have to be done manually which would be too tedious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
An alternative to looking backwards at what already happened is to just select a few players and manually track the different predictions until such point a decision is made. You would then immediately know who got it right...or not. My guess is that alot of sites might say "crystal ball 100% to Xavier", and then either change on a dime or remove the prediction if it turned out to be wrong.
I sort of hate this transfer portal thing without the impediment of having to sit out a year. That said, we would be terrible next year without it. Frankly, we would’ve been terrible the last couple years without it. It’s not like we’ve gotten crushed by the portal – our guys have mostly stuck around. What the hell was Steele doing?
Sorry, rant over. I guess I am still suffering from Post Traumatic Steele Disorder.
On3 had kerr 100% going to WVA after his visit. Then 100% to Nebraska after his visit there. So I wouldn’t put any stock in what they saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
It's crack. I woulndt want crack today if I hadnt done crack yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by XUBison
This whole thing has been a slow moving train . XU has LIVED off of Transfers for several years now. I could list 15 very key players over the last 15 years.
When they changed the rule to allow graduate students that still had eligibility to transfer and play immediately, we started taking advantage of that (Karem kanter, anyone?). then the immediately eligibility for everyone was just the next step towards this chaos.
This year we had Nunge, Hunter, Kunkel, and Boum as 4 of our top 7 guys.
Of COURSE we need to go back to the portal. And if we want to be good next year, we will need bonafide contributors at the D1 level. That means maybe our freshmen dont get much run. Which means the next year, we may need to go to the portal and reload. I think we are headed to a place where 25-30% of all players (that can) will at least enter the portal annually.
If I had a preference, our reliance on the portal should at least target guys with multiple years remaining. Boum was GREAT. We've had several 1 year guys that were key pieces. But I'd like to see more 3 year guys transfer in...
Wouldn’t the need to “rein him in a little” make Spears that much more similar to Lyons?Quote:
Originally Posted by drudy23
I for one would love to see a reined in, Lyons-like, “Primo” player on the roster next season, thank you!
That list is already outdated with Hunter Dickinson jumping into the portal today.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ansfer-portal/