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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

This argument is tired and old. When did I ever ask for handouts? This is straight out of the supply-side narrative to change the argument to handouts instead of what it should be which is fair compensation and the ability of all to build wealth.

If you don't see the current system as one that is attempting to create a generation of people with large amounts of debt, working diligently to attempt to pay down that debt, and accepting of the current system because it's all they have, then I just can't help you.

I graduated in '98 when a car loan was 3 years, 4 years to lower the payment, and 5 years was the absolute max. One has to go to a Credit Union now for anything under 5 years for a new car and dealers are going up to 7 years. Home loans are already up to 40 years if you want one and I bet my kids will be able to get a 50 year loan. Wages have not met costs and your ability to obtain long term debt and the ever increasing term debt speaks novels for those willing to see.

Edit: I guess you hated TARP, you hated the farm bailouts people just got, you must really hate food stamps, and Medicare, Social Security, etc. Government should just be overpaying for military stuff and bootstraps to hand out to the public.

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1. Buy a used car for $3,000 to $5,000 they get you from point A to point B just fine
2. Only buy a home that you can afford
3. Don't spend what you don't have

One bailout does not beget or absolve another. We're in this downward sprial b/c the basic premise has been breached

I never said that there wont be people in need and those deserving of help. But when the thought process shifts from you taking care of yourself, to the government taking care of you, it all falls apart.

You may think its tired argument.....and that's fine. Its just paint you as part of the problem from my perspective.

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Originally Posted by bleedXblue

1. Buy a used car for $3,000 to $5,000 they get you from point A to point B just fine
2. Only buy a home that you can afford
3. Don't spend what you don't have

One bailout does not beget or absolve another. We're in this downward sprial b/c the basic premise has been breached

I never said that there wont be people in need and those deserving of help. But when the thought process shifts from you taking care of yourself, to the government taking care of you, it all falls apart.

You may think its tired argument.....and that's fine. Its just paint you as part of the problem from my perspective.

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You will love this, at what point do decisions get to you can have your food or your heat in your home/apartment? It's coming, it has arrived for a lot of people.

For #1 I just did an autotrader search for 5k and less and really not much came up for less than 5k. What appeared had an average mileage at 130k. I think your 'just fine' and my 'just fine' are two completely different things. Someone making enough to afford the $5k car can't afford the problems that come with it.
2 - on homes, and it's fun to bring you down to Earth. Rent is at an all time high. Home prices are ever increasing. Buying at a low level in Phoenix puts average families house poor a lot of the time. That is just an unfortunate fact. Welcome to planet Earth Bleed.

I hate to break it to you, nobody on here is screaming for massive government handouts. Stop with that tired narrative, I get it supports what you want to argue about. We are talking about wage stagnation and cost increases. You have your head in the sand screaming about handouts.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

You will love this, at what point do decisions get to you can have your food or your heat in your home/apartment? It's coming, it has arrived for a lot of people.

For #1 I just did an autotrader search for 5k and less and really not much came up for less than 5k. What appeared had an average mileage at 130k. I think your 'just fine' and my 'just fine' are two completely different things. Someone making enough to afford the $5k car can't afford the problems that come with it.
2 - on homes, and it's fun to bring you down to Earth. Rent is at an all time high. Home prices are ever increasing. Buying at a low level in Phoenix puts average families house poor a lot of the time. That is just an unfortunate fact. Welcome to planet Earth Bleed.

I hate to break it to you, nobody on here is screaming for massive government handouts. Stop with that tired narrative, I get it supports what you want to argue about. We are talking about wage stagnation and cost increases. You have your head in the sand screaming about handouts.

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Wage stagnation........the sky is falling.......

If you don't like the amount of money you make, go find another job or work overtime. Get 2nd or 3rd job.

If its too expensive in Phoenix, get the hell out and move to the midwest.

Cost increases. Well no shit, the economy is booming. Costs are ALWAYS going to go up over time.

Your narrative is to make excuses and cower from the real issue(s).

You see, there are ALWAYS options and there are things that you can do to improve your situation. You just have to make the choice to do so. You have to make the effort and give a shit. You would rather blame someone else or something else.......instead of owning it on your own and figuring out a way to make it work.

People have to live and work in all parts of the country. My question is why people need overtime or worse second and third jobs just to save a bit or to survive.

You aren’t asking the right questions or looking at the issues with empathy for everyone. You see if through your eyes only.


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Originally Posted by bleedXblue

Let me remind everyone what a great country we live in: IMHO there is one simple underlying mechanism that enables just about every American to get out of life and this country what they want to. It's the desire and work ethic to want to get ahead. And this is all about doing this ON YOUR OWN. [/U]

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Very well posted!

The work hard to get ahead (to me) is an ambition or goal and is time tested while true today. As I grew up with my parents guidance, they instilled those principles you described. Also, they told me failure was a possibility at times, but don’t give up. Early in my working career, I questioned a lot - can it be done, today is different when than they were my age, and if I fail, how will I take care of myself and family.

Obviously, it’s hard today and before! Wish I had the same courage as my parents had for me and tell my kids that life sucks sometimes (ok maybe I have a little).

Some fun

https://youtu.be/8EsUNOIYyKg

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Originally Posted by Caf

All explanations of our current polarity go back to the financial crisis. The tea party and occupy wall street which is now the Bernie Sanders crowd started in response to our handling of that.

Specifically relating to the Republican Party, a President named George Bush signed a massive bailout contradicting their small government stances for the second time in our nations history. This, and specifically the Rick Santelli rant on CNBC, gave birth to the Tea Party. The rest is history.

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Populism is the true legacy of the global financial crisis - FT

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Historians will look back on the crisis of 2008 as the moment the world’s most powerful nations surrendered international leadership, and globalisation went into reverse. The rest of the world has understandably concluded it has little to learn from the west. Many thought at the time that the collapse of communism would presage the permanent hegemony of open, liberal democracies. Instead, what really will puzzle the historians is why the ancien régime was so lazily complacent — complicit, rather — in its own demise.

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Do I have this right; big tax cuts for corporations and the super wealthy...but cancelled federal pay raises?

Nice.

What was the tax cut for the super wealthy?

What is changing

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A new tax cut for the rich: The final plan lowers the top tax rate for top earners. Under current law, the highest rate is 39.6 percent for married couples earning over $470,700. The GOP bill would drop that to 37 percent and raise the threshold at which that top rate kicks in, to $500,000 for individuals and $600,000 for married couples. This amounts to a significant tax break for the very wealthy, a departure from repeated claims by Trump and his top officials that the bill would not benefit the rich. The new tax break for millionaires goes beyond what was in the original House and Senate bills, with Republicans seeking to ensure wealthy earners in states such as New York, Connecticut and California don't end up paying substantially higher taxes as a result of the bill.

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2017 Tax Bill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0b7d8f97a6f8