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08-28-2018, 12:59 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

He picked Palin as a Hail Mary. He was way behind, and she was a chance for him to get a nice bump, which he did when she was announced. Then Katie Couric interviewed her, and Obama went to the tailor to get fitted for his inauguration suit.

The Dems would have been a lot better off using your "their turn" policy though. You'd have had 8 years of Hillary followed by 8 years of Obama if Obama hadn't cut in front of Hillary. He probably would have been a better President with 8 more years of seasoning, too.

He was not way behind. Most outlets had him a couple points behind.
08-28-2018, 01:05 PM
ArizonaXUGrad

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Originally Posted by Xville

He was not way behind. Most outlets had him a couple points behind.

Regardless, polls aren't overly accurate all the time. Didn't we just learn that? McCain lost by a bunch. Palin, good or bad or reach or not, didn't change that.
08-28-2018, 01:06 PM
X-man

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Originally Posted by XU 87

Pretty well established? By who? Huffington Post? Where do you come up with this stuff?

But to help you out, Kristol did push for Palin. He didn't threaten a floor fight over her pick "that would have doomed McCain's candidacy". In short, Palin wasn't "forced" upon McCain.

The alleged threatened floor fight was if he picked Joe Lieberman as his VP. The floor fight would have been over Lieberman as VP, not naming some other Republican Presidential candidate.

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Palin was the neo-con darling, and Kristol led the way over at the Weekly Standard. And the floor fight was predicated on Palin not being picked. I'll grant you that had Lieberman been picked (McCain's preference, BTW), there would have been a floor fight. But this would have occurred had anyone other than Palin been selected. So even though McCain wanted nothing to do with Palin, she was forced upon him by Kristol and his pals.
08-28-2018, 01:19 PM
XU 87

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Originally Posted by X-man

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Palin was the neo-con darling, and Kristol led the way over at the Weekly Standard. And the floor fight was predicated on Palin not being picked. I'll grant you that had Lieberman been picked (McCain's preference, BTW), there would have been a floor fight. But this would have occurred had anyone other than Palin been selected. So even though McCain wanted nothing to do with Palin, she was forced upon him by Kristol and his pals.

Is your source for the above nonsense the same one for your quote that the Inspector General's report found that "Strzok's behavior as an FBI employee was professional and free from bias"?
08-28-2018, 01:33 PM
GoMuskies

Palin was announced on August 29, 2008. She was his last "bump", and it did not last long.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...obama-225.html
08-28-2018, 01:34 PM
XU 87

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Palin was announced on August 29, 2008. She was his last "bump", and it did not last long.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...obama-225.html

Damn you. I had already deleted my post after looking at the exact same real clear polling data.
08-28-2018, 01:41 PM
GoMuskies

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Originally Posted by XU 87

Damn you. I had already deleted my post after looking at the exact same real clear polling data.

I know, but Xville thought the same. Figured I may as well post anyway.
08-28-2018, 02:06 PM
X-man

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Originally Posted by XU 87

Is your source for the above nonsense the same one for your quote that the Inspector General's report found that "Strzok's behavior as an FBI employee was professional and free from bias"?

Here's one of my sources.... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...7/the-insiders.
08-28-2018, 02:50 PM
XU 87

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Originally Posted by X-man

Here's one of my sources.... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...7/the-insiders.

I read the article. It says: 1) Kristol and others pushed for her as VP and 2) there was a threatened floor fight over Lieberman if McCain picked him.

The article does not say 1) that Kristol and others forced McCain to take her or 2) there would be a floor fight at the convention if McCain didn't pick Palin.

So, the article supports what I posted. It doesn't support what you posted.
08-28-2018, 03:20 PM
noteggs

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Originally Posted by Caf

All explanations of our current polarity go back to the financial crisis. The tea party and occupy wall street which is now the Bernie Sanders crowd started in response to our handling of that.

Specifically relating to the Republican Party, a President named George Bush signed a massive bailout contradicting their small government stances for the second time in our nations history. This, and specifically the Rick Santelli rant on CNBC, gave birth to the Tea Party. The rest is history.

I would say that would be a big part among others. Even earlier in W’s term, many conservatives also felt Republicans weren’t focused enough on the current debt levels and spending. Tea Party started during the the W presidency for sure and intensified under Obama which branched out after ACA.

Also, you could blame social media in general for today’s polarity intensification. Heck who thought there would be a 70 year old sending idiotic tweets. So yes, Trump has added to the division but not the whole reason.

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