Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by xuphan

Iran agreed a ceasefire after getting bombed and continuous conflict with Israel? Surprising if true.

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I think you’re being facetious, but in case you’re not it would have been surprising if it WASN’T true.

Trump tells Ukraine and Russia to stop, and he’s taken aback when they don’t. He then tells Iran and Israel to stop after playing a role in the bombings, and is taken aback when it continues. I’m not really faulting him for not being able to bring an end to the wars, but I’m truly amazed at how naive he is! I mean, did he actually think he could end the wars by simply telling the leaders of those countries to stop???

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...qprj_BomOjmWqQ

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Originally Posted by xubrew

I think you’re being facetious, but in case you’re not it would have been surprising if it WASN’T true.

Trump tells Ukraine and Russia to stop, and he’s taken aback when they don’t. He then tells Iran and Israel to stop after playing a role in the bombings, and is taken aback when it continues. I’m not really faulting him for not being able to bring an end to the wars, but I’m truly amazed at how naive he is! I mean, did he actually think he could end the wars by simply telling the leaders of those countries to stop???

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...qprj_BomOjmWqQ

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This is further evidence that The Trumpster lives in a "reality show" reality.

The markets seem pretty confident this truce is going to hold (or at least that there will not be escalation).

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Originally Posted by Xville

No one in a global leadership position respects Trump.

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That's probably right....but these guys have gotten much smarter about how to DEAL with Trump. Stroke that fucking ego. Take this from the NATO Secretary-General (courtesy of WSJ):

Donald Trump shared a private message from NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte that praised the U.S. president for his “decisive action in Iran,” calling it “extraordinary.” Rutte's message, posted on Trump’s Truth Social account, also credited Trump with pushing NATO allies to increase defense spending, saying that “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way” and that Trump “will achieve something NO American president in decades could get done.”

Trump is preparing to claim a major foreign-policy win at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's summit in The Hague this week: a commitment by NATO members to more than double their defense-spending target. Since 2014, the alliance has aimed for 2% of GDP—but under pressure from Trump, allies are expected to endorse a new 5% goal at a coming summit. The language in the expected declaration will emphasize unity and signal a shift toward significantly higher military investment across the alliance.

“You are flying into another big success in The Hague this evening,” Rutte wrote in the message shared by Trump. “It was not easy but we’ve got them all signed onto 5 percent! Donald, you have driven us to a really, really important moment.”

A NATO spokesperson confirmed that Rutte sent the message to Trump earlier today.

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Originally Posted by Xville

That ceasefire lasted all of what ten minutes? Who's shocked? An area of the world that has been fighting for centuries, and Trump believes that dropping a couple of bombs is going to end it lol. No one in a global leadership position respects Trump.

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Of course some won’t but I think a lot more leaders respect trump more than they did Biden.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Donald Trump shared a private message from NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte that praised the U.S. president for his “decisive action in Iran,” calling it “extraordinary.” Rutte's message, posted on Trump’s Truth Social account

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:laugh:

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The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it.

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President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/polit...-nuclear-sites

One of these things is not like the other.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/polit...-nuclear-sites

One of these things is not like the other.

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So four people with top secret clearance who were briefed on an assessment (they didn't actually see it) decided to call CNN and tell them that Trump was wrong about the damage? Is that what happened here?

LOL, as soon as I saw who had posted last in the thread, I knew exactly what was going to be posted. Now, I figured paul would go with NYT and not CNN, but otherwise I knew he'd be thrilled to report this news.

Hang in there. As soon as Fox stops slobbering all over their guy and come up for air...they'll catch up.