Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by paulxu

What is it with Trump and flagpoles? He just can't seem to get it right.

Used his foundation to settle a fine with Palm Beach over a flagpole, and now this.

Needs better advisers. (Duh)

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You really think Trump listens to ANYONE? Seriously he is the most arrogant man that has ever lived on planet earth. Like I said earlier, he could 2020 wrapped up already but b/c he doesn't take good, sound advice from his team he will screw it up if he hasn't already.

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Originally Posted by Caf

Flags at White House return to full-staff after brief tribute to McCain

This President, who many of you adore, is an absolute piece of trash.

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What is also trash is the mainstream media now acting as if McCain was the greatest human being that ever walked the earth. These are the same people that bashed the hell out of him during the 2008 election and thereafter. Its bs.

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Originally Posted by Xville

What is also trash is the mainstream media now acting as if McCain was the greatest human being that ever walked the earth. These are the same people that bashed the hell out of him during the 2008 election and thereafter. Its bs.

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Agreed. Anyone who derided McCain or Romney during their campaigns has been eating crow for some time now. That being said after death there's a certain level of respect, especially for McCain, that is paid regardless of one's politics.

From @ryanstruyk

“John McCain favorability ratings by party via Fox News poll -->

Democrats:
60% favorable
29% unfavorable

Republicans:
41% favorable
48% unfavorable”

Bashing him as a politician is not the same as bashing him as a person. I don’t remember anyone questioning his principals. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

The day you see it's not us vs. them or Republicans vs. Democrats will be a brighter day. The idea that it's adversarial is the greatest con over humanity since the devil convince us he doesn't exist.

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You don't have to look any further than the way that Trump has co-opted the Republican party to see that party lines are more important to a large segment of the population than actual ideas and actions.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Ha that's hilarious coming from a trump hater.

Its adversarial to me because I agree with almost nothing that the democratic traditional platform is at the moment except for the allowance to stick it into whoever other consenting adult you want.

I'm not thrilled with the Republican party either but my beliefs are more in line with theirs.

I do agree that we need to come closer to the middle but I honestly believe that day may not come back in our lifetime...we have gone way too far.

Had Mccain not picked such an effing moron in 08, he may have gotten elected and the right would not have been so pissed off two years ago from the previous eight to elect the guy we have now, and the left may not have gone to extreme socialism platform measures.

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Why does him being a 'Trump hater' have anything to do with his argument? If he categorically hated all Republicans and supported all Democrats (or even most), THAT would damage his argument. Him hating Trump has no bearing on anything. Trump should be an extremely hateable person for both Republicans and Democrats. The fact that so many Republicans are jumping through hoops to defend him is actually pretty illustrative in my opinion.

My opinion is that if you align totally (or even almost totally) with one party over the other, you need to examine your ability or willingness to think critically about individual issues. Similarly - if your affiliation with a political party causes you to defend people you would normally detest you need to really give it some thought. People naturally want to pick sides and have enemies, and our political system plays on that to an extreme degree.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

You don't have to look any further than the way that Trump has co-opted the Republican party to see that party lines are more important to a large segment of the population than actual ideas and actions.



Why does him being a 'Trump hater' have anything to do with his argument? If he categorically hated all Republicans and supported all Democrats (or even most), THAT would damage his argument. Him hating Trump has no bearing on anything. Trump should be an extremely hateable person for both Republicans and Democrats. The fact that so many Republicans are jumping through hoops to defend him is actually pretty illustrative in my opinion.

My opinion is that if you align totally (or even almost totally) with one party over the other, you need to examine your ability or willingness to think critically about individual issues. Similarly - if your affiliation with a political party causes you to defend people you would normally detest you need to really give it some thought. People naturally want to pick sides and have enemies, and our political system plays on that to an extreme degree.

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Hating trump in itself is adversarial.

FWIW I'm registered an independent and I would assume that most of the country is pretty moderate. The problem with today's politics is that the right is becoming more and more right and the left is becoming more and more left. It does force you to pick a side because the moderate doesnt exist on either side at the moment. I truly believe that had McCain won in 08, we would not be as divided as we are now and these extreme politics would not be gaining such traction.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

From @ryanstruyk

“John McCain favorability ratings by party via Fox News poll -->

Democrats:
60% favorable
29% unfavorable

Republicans:
41% favorable
48% unfavorable”

Bashing him as a politician is not the same as bashing him as a person. I don’t remember anyone questioning his principals. Big difference.

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So you dont remember 08 either...he was labeled a racist by the mainstream media and attacked as a person.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Hating trump in itself is adversarial.

FWIW I'm registered an independent and I would assume that most of the country is pretty moderate. The problem with today's politics is that the right is becoming more and more right and the left is becoming more and more left. It does force you to pick a side because the moderate doesnt exist on either side at the moment. I truly believe that had McCain won in 08, we would not be as divided as we are now and these extreme politics would not be gaining such traction.

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Why, because McCain was white? Obama was fairly moderate relatively speaking. Contrary to what you watch on Fox News.

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Originally Posted by Xville

So you dont remember 08 either...he was labeled a racist by the mainstream media and attacked as a person.

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I guess I don’t remember that. Do you have examples?

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Originally Posted by Xville

Hating trump in itself is adversarial.

FWIW I'm registered an independent and I would assume that most of the country is pretty moderate. The problem with today's politics is that the right is becoming more and more right and the left is becoming more and more left. It does force you to pick a side because the moderate doesnt exist on either side at the moment. I truly believe that had McCain won in 08, we would not be as divided as we are now and these extreme politics would not be gaining such traction.

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Why? He is an individual, and an extraordinary flawed one at that. I'm not talking out hating a group of people, just one person. Is hating Roderigo Duterte in itself adversarial? Trump has earned any hatred he gets through his words and actions. I argue we should all hate him, because he represents a major fissure in our political system. It's been brewing for a while now, but the shift in rhetoric since his election is seismic.

Most of the terrible things that happen in the world today, and historically, (outside of Natural disasters) are predicated upon dividing people into groups and then convincing them that the other group is 'the enemy', typically for the gain of the ruler / ruling class. When people take sides (either side) they perpetuate that divide.