Covid-19

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Is it true the the worse the pandemic is, the worse it is for Trump?
Does the media have an agenda against Trump?
Has the media been proven to sensationalize, present incomplete truths, and even lie?

If the answer to these three questions is "yes", then you have to acknowledge that it's not complete non-sense.

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I think it is safe to assume that the answer to those three questions is yes, but what jtg said is still batshit crazy.

I don’t know what the Chewbacca defense is. I don’t even speak Wookie. I do agree the his claims are pretty out there; would you agree that the pandemic reporting would be more factual if Trump wasn’t Prez?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I don’t know what the Chewbacca defense is. I don’t even speak Wookie. I do agree the his claims are pretty out there; would you agree that the pandemic reporting would be more factual if Trump wasn’t Prez?

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Hell, just look at how they cover Cuomo (and the other bad states like NJ and Massachusetts) compared to red states that have had some flare ups but overall in a better position.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Did you just try to use the Chewbacca Defense?

The statement was:
"It's really sick, actually pathetic that liberals, with the help of the Chinese, would let people die and wreck the economy, because they hate Trump. Now the Chinese, they are afraid of Trump and want a puppet like Biden in charge, who they can bully. The liberals are fine with the country being a mess financially. Is it just coincidence that Covid flared up as the stock market was recovering, unemployment was dropping, and Trump's ratings were moving upward ?"

So lets break this down:

1. "that liberals, with the help of the Chinese, would let people and wreck the economy" - This is making an assumption that 1. the liberals are conspired with the Chinese to create a global pandemic to harm the president, 2. This plot would be effective since they knew the president wouldn't be able to effectively handle it, and 3. the rest of the world came along for the ride.

2. "The liberals are fine with the country being a mess financially." - if this is true why would the liberals have voted for any sort of relief package, especially if the goal was to wreck the economy. Seems easier to dig their heels in the sand to achieve that goal.

3 "Is it just coincidence that Covid flared up as the stock market was recovering, unemployment was dropping, and Trump's ratings were moving upward"- This once again makes the assumption that this was created just to harm Trump. That a foreign power, working in-cahoots with 'liberals', saw how great everything was and decided to release a novel coronavirus in 2019 to throw a wrench in that. If that is true, why not wait closer to the election? Why release it in China first instead of just releasing it in the US?

So yeah, the batshit qannon conspiracy crap spewed by JTG was complete nonsense.

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Extraordinarily well said. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I think it is safe to assume that the answer to those three questions is yes, but what jtg said is still batshit crazy.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I don’t know what the Chewbacca defense is. I don’t even speak Wookie. I do agree the his claims are pretty out there; would you agree that the pandemic reporting would be more factual if Trump wasn’t Prez?

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Not sure I totally agree. The media sensationalizes things to drive clicks / engagement. I think they would be covering the Coronavirus with plenty of zeal and fear mongering regardless of who was President. They are definitely reveling in the fact that is making Trump look bad though, I totally agree with that.

I think a big part of the reason Trump is taking a bunch of shit is because I can't imagine any other President being as stupid and inept as has been throughout this. It really is the worse thing that could have happened to him. It required (1) listening to other people, particularly scientists, and (2) having empathy for other people. Not two of his strengths. It was fine when he was just cutting taxes, letting the economy do it's thing, and acting like a jackass on twitter. Then he had to actually coordinate a national response to a crisis and he essentially just opted out.

He is getting a ton of shit from the media because his response has been a mess. I'm sure our resident bootlickers are going to come in here with a bunch of links to Op Ed pieces about how his response has been perfect, but I think it's pretty clear to anybody with a shred of objectivity that there aren't a lot of things he could have done worse.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Did you just try to use the Chewbacca Defense?

The statement was:
"It's really sick, actually pathetic that liberals, with the help of the Chinese, would let people die and wreck the economy, because they hate Trump. Now the Chinese, they are afraid of Trump and want a puppet like Biden in charge, who they can bully. The liberals are fine with the country being a mess financially. Is it just coincidence that Covid flared up as the stock market was recovering, unemployment was dropping, and Trump's ratings were moving upward ?"

So lets break this down:

1. "that liberals, with the help of the Chinese, would let people and wreck the economy" - This is making an assumption that 1. the liberals are conspired with the Chinese to create a global pandemic to harm the president, 2. This plot would be effective since they knew the president wouldn't be able to effectively handle it, and 3. the rest of the world came along for the ride.

2. "The liberals are fine with the country being a mess financially." - if this is true why would the liberals have voted for any sort of relief package, especially if the goal was to wreck the economy. Seems easier to dig their heels in the sand to achieve that goal.

3 "Is it just coincidence that Covid flared up as the stock market was recovering, unemployment was dropping, and Trump's ratings were moving upward"- This once again makes the assumption that this was created just to harm Trump. That a foreign power, working in-cahoots with 'liberals', saw how great everything was and decided to release a novel coronavirus in 2019 to throw a wrench in that. If that is true, why not wait closer to the election? Why release it in China first instead of just releasing it in the US?

So yeah, the batshit qannon conspiracy crap spewed by JTG was complete nonsense.

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:lmao:

So good. Thank you for the laugh.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I don’t know what the Chewbacca defense is. I don’t even speak Wookie. I do agree the his claims are pretty out there; would you agree that the pandemic reporting would be more factual if Trump wasn’t Prez?

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If you don't know the Chewbacca defense, then you are just depriving yourself of great content. Allow me to brighten your day:

https://youtu.be/34Em8BkZYnI

And I am not sure whether it would or not. The reporting was pretty sensationalized for ebola while Obama was president.

I think the issue is that Trump, by his own design, is a media black hole. He is so undisciplined that the media is glued to his every move waiting for the next crazy thing to come out of his mouth. And to a certain extent that has worked for him, as any controversy has quickly faded away into the next one. The problem with COVID19 is that it is a slow moving giant train crash that will not just fade into the background when the collective ADD of the media moves onto the next shinny object.

Thanks, very funny. With that enlightenment I don't think that was the "Chewbacca Defense". If it weren't for the MSM's obsession with burying Trump, and to continue your Star Wars analogy, using their Jedi mind tricks on the weak minded, we as a society would not be nearly as scared of COVID-19 as we are. As to your point on Ebola, I don't recall near the media sensationalism, and for a disease that is actually over 100x as deadly as COVID-19.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

As to your point on Ebola, I don't recall near the media sensationalism, and for a disease that is actually over 100x as deadly as COVID-19.

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Perhaps because we responded better? I think 2 Americans died from Ebola, which the Senator from Iowa characterized as Obama exhibiting failed leadership.
When asked about Trump's leadership with 140,000 dead (and growing) she said he "stepped forward."

I feel confident that if 100,000 Americans had died from Ebola, there would have been a lot more media coverage.

You just beat me to it Paul. I remember following many media stories of Ebola back in 2014 but they quickly faded away when there were only 11 total cases in the US and only 2 deaths. As they say if it bleeds it leads and there clearly wasn't enough blood!

Scratching my head how you could compare the two scenarios based on the actual numbers.

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Originally Posted by cutterX

You just beat me to it Paul. I remember following many media stories of Ebola back in 2014 but they quickly faded away when there were only 11 total cases in the US and only 2 deaths. As they say if it bleeds it leads and there clearly wasn't enough blood!

Scratching my head how you could compare the two scenarios based on the actual numbers.

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I, too, cannot fathom what thought processes could lead one to make that comparison. It defies logic. I recall reading many stories of Ebola outbreaks in West Africa and how it was only a matter of time before it was on the loose in the United States.