Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by X-man

Ah, the summer off season. Does this post have anything to do with the current conversation on the cost of healthcare in the US, and whether a single payer system could do a more efficient job delivering such care to the general population?

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This thread is titled "Politics Thread".

And the answer to your question is, "No".

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Originally Posted by XU 87

My firm.

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So I think some people misunderstood that quote. I know of many small businesses that provide health insurance to their employees. I have 3 relatives who own small to mid-sized businesses and two of the three provide healthcare. The other says it's too expensive. Healthcare insurances costs are a major concern for them, as I imagine they are for your firm. If they aren't, you likely have been lucky.

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Originally Posted by X-man

Ah, the summer off season. Does this post have anything to do with the current conversation on the cost of healthcare in the US, and whether a single payer system could do a more efficient job delivering such care to the general population?

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Gee, what do you think:

Additionally, as an illegal alien , I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures that I could save almost $10,000 a year. "

It's all over the map, with respect to estimated impacts, but the cost of healthcare in the United States is affected by illegal immigration:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ille...hrome&ie=UTF-8

As of 2017, FAIR estimates the number of illegal aliens in the US to be approximately 12.5 million. Obviously, some number of them waltz into emergency rooms when they need medical assistance and they do so without paying for services received.

The guy wrote a funny letter to his left-leaning senator. So I shared it here.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I agree with most of this. My father is a small business owner and has been for 30+ years and is a veterinarian so you can imagine the insurance he pays not only to his employees but jaut to practice medicine. I do think the whole notion of a job paying for half of insurance was just an attempt to put a band aid on something. We do that a crap ton in our country, just like tuition reimbursement companies are now paying for again.

I'm not against single payer necessarily, I'm just not convinced that it would work here or cost less just because it works in Iceland.

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Thank you progressive and internment legend FDR...

Edit: thank you Olympic swimmer Teddy K for HMOs..

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Originally Posted by xudash

Gee, what do you think:

Additionally, as an illegal alien , I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures that I could save almost $10,000 a year. "

It's all over the map, with respect to estimated impacts, but the cost of healthcare in the United States is affected by illegal immigration:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ille...hrome&ie=UTF-8

As of 2017, FAIR estimates the number of illegal aliens in the US to be approximately 12.5 million. Obviously, some number of them waltz into emergency rooms when they need medical assistance and they do so without paying for services received.

The guy wrote a funny letter to his left-leaning senator. So I shared it here.

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What are the possible solutions to this? Make them citizens and collect taxes from those with incomes to offset costs? Let people die in emergency rooms? Round them all up, deport them, and completely fortify the border? Which seems most equitable?

I get what this guy is saying, but it comes from a standpoint that completely disregards the reality of the situation.

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Originally Posted by XU 87

This thread is titled "Politics Thread".

And the answer to your question is, "No".

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Yet another post from 87 that completely misses the point.

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Originally Posted by Caf

What are the possible solutions to this? Make them citizens and collect taxes from those with incomes to offset costs? Let people die in emergency rooms? Round them all up, deport them, and completely fortify the border? Which seems most equitable?

I get what this guy is saying, but it comes from a standpoint that completely disregards the reality of the situation.

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A solution that will appear cold hearted to some and practical to others:

Fortify the border now while concurrently beginning the process of determining who is worthy and wanting of citizenship and who is here to become a Democrat.

Make them citizens and collect taxes from those with incomes to offset costs? For those that have been here and have integrated themselves into society in a positive way and who want to be Americans: yes. Create a path for legalized citizenship and bring welcome them in.

Let people die in emergency rooms? Can't support that idea. That would be inhumane. The only exception is if they come in from gang related activity.

Round them all up, deport them, and completely fortify the border? Round-up anyone and everyone who came here illegally and who otherwise are incapable, for whatever reason, of contributing to American society. They get sent back. Round-up MS-13 members, line them up against a wall, and shoot them very, very dead.

Which seems most equitable? I don't see it as a matter of choices. I see it as a matter of policies that award good people who want a fair chance, but who came here under desperate circumstances in any way they could to build a better life. I suspect that the vast majority of illegal immigrants fall into this camp, at least with respect to intentions.

I see it as a situation that invites continued lunacy if we don't secure our borders, to protect against the flow of drugs, terrorist cells, and other evils. It's simply stupid to allow this to continue to go on unchecked. It's been going on this way for too long.

I write that, knowing that a "wall" will slow, but not completely stop some of these problems. There's a lot of badness in the world. How 'bout a Fresca!

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Originally Posted by xudash

A solution that will appear cold hearted to some and practical to others:

Fortify the border now while concurrently beginning the process of determining who is worthy and wanting of citizenship and who is here to become a Democrat.

Make them citizens and collect taxes from those with incomes to offset costs? For those that have been here and have integrated themselves into society in a positive way and who want to be Americans: yes. Create a path for legalized citizenship and bring welcome them in.

Let people die in emergency rooms? Can't support that idea. That would be inhumane. The only exception is if they come in from gang related activity.

Round them all up, deport them, and completely fortify the border? Round-up anyone and everyone who came here illegally and who otherwise are incapable, for whatever reason, of contributing to American society. They get sent back. Round-up MS-13 members, line them up against a wall, and shoot them very, very dead.

Which seems most equitable? I don't see it as a matter of choices. I see it as a matter of policies that award good people who want a fair chance, but who came here under desperate circumstances in any way they could to build a better life. I suspect that the vast majority of illegal immigrants fall into this camp, at least with respect to intentions.

I see it as a situation that invites continued lunacy if we don't secure our borders, to protect against the flow of drugs, terrorist cells, and other evils. It's simply stupid to allow this to continue to go on unchecked. It's been going on this way for too long.

I write that, knowing that a "wall" will slow, but not completely stop some of these problems. There's a lot of badness in the world. How 'bout a Fresca!

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I had chills reading this. Not the good kind....

If one can get past the point that it’s inhumane to let people die in an ER yet “line them up and shoot them very, very dead” to create any logical response to this, most of your “solutions” are incredibly subjective. Which we know doesn’t work with any law if it is left for interpretation and case by case basis.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I had chills reading this. Not the good kind....

If one can get past the point that it’s inhumane to let people die in an ER yet “line them up and shoot them very, very dead” to create any logical response to this, most of your “solutions” are incredibly subjective. Which we know doesn’t work with any law if it is left for interpretation and case by case basis.

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Ha! This from a person that is pro infanticode.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Ha! This from a person that is pro infanticode.

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I am all for coding infants.