Covid-19

Back on Covid, I see where Ohio now has more cases on a rolling basis than they did in April.
They have also recorded more deaths in the last 2 weeks than New York. That can't be good.

Speaking of not good, here in South Carolina we are heading to some really rough water. It's like people don't want to believe that wearing masks helps.
Wild Dunes Resort (outside of Charleston) just shut down till mid-August.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

How do we know asymptomatic cases aren’t false positives?

Shower thought... but seriously?

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I have thought the same thing, however they seem to happen in enough 'clusters' that it suggests they aren't false positives. For example: My SIL's entire family has tested positive at this point. Almost all where asymptomatic. One of them had a fever for a day or something but felt OK. I'm sure false positives happen, possibly at a pretty high rate (not sure if it's been studied), but it does seem like asymptomatic cases are a real thing.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

If there's never going to be a safe and effective vaccine...I'm not sure what you do. Basically ignore it and let it run its course? That's obviously a shitty option, but I'm not sure every other option wouldn't be worse.

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That's probably what you would have to do at that point, and hope we get better at treating it. The thought of people becoming infected multiple times with this is obviously pretty sobering, particularly for those who have stronger reactions and more severe cases.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I think that’s why yesterdays news was so big, that 100% of the individuals in the phase 1 trial had IgG response to the vaccine. Here’s the data

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That would be huge. If I'm not mistaken we still don't know exactly how long the response will last though, right?

Walmart to require masks.
Get your guns. Time to rally.
FREEDOM!!!

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Originally Posted by boozehound

That would be huge. If I'm not mistaken we still don't know exactly how long the response will last though, right?

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Correct, it should be several months at minimum though as in the study the levels were consistent after 2 months (they received a booster after 4 weeks). Regardless it should be long enough for most to weather the storm.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Correct, it should be several months at minimum though as in the study the levels were consistent after 2 months (they received a booster after 4 weeks). Regardless it should be long enough for most to weather the storm.

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So is the idea that if we all get vaccinated (or enough of us) at the same time it duplicates herd immunity and goes away, or do we all need to get boosters very 3-4 months potentially?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Back on Covid, I see where Ohio now has more cases on a rolling basis than they did in April.
They have also recorded more deaths in the last 2 weeks than New York. That can't be good.

Speaking of not good, here in South Carolina we are heading to some really rough water. It's like people don't want to believe that wearing masks helps.
Wild Dunes Resort (outside of Charleston) just shut down till mid-August.

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Just heard Hamilton County Commissioner Denise Driehaus on the radio. She was saying that we do have more infections being reported each day and that they seem to be increasing. What they don’t know is how much of it is related to community spread of the disease vs. a function of more testing. It’s probably some of both, but there’s no way to really tell.


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Originally Posted by boozehound

I have thought the same thing, however they seem to happen in enough 'clusters' that it suggests they aren't false positives. For example: My SIL's entire family has tested positive at this point. Almost all where asymptomatic. One of them had a fever for a day or something but felt OK. I'm sure false positives happen, possibly at a pretty high rate (not sure if it's been studied), but it does seem like asymptomatic cases are a real thing.



That's probably what you would have to do at that point, and hope we get better at treating it. The thought of people becoming infected multiple times with this is obviously pretty sobering, particularly for those who have stronger reactions and more severe cases.



That would be huge. If I'm not mistaken we still don't know exactly how long the response will last though, right?

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The only stat of false positives I have seen is 3%. Not sure if that is accurate. I think false negatives is higher and a bigger issue than false positives.

Sometimes I have read people getting confused and they end up talking about the unreliability of the antibody testing. That testing is really unreliable from what I understand.

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Originally Posted by bjf123

Just heard Hamilton County Commissioner Denise Driehaus on the radio. She was saying that we do have more infections being reported each day and that they seem to be increasing. What they don’t know is how much of it is related to community spread of the disease vs. a function of more testing. It’s probably some of both, but there’s no way to really tell.


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Shouldn't it be easy to know how much more testing is being done and if that correlates to the increase in positive cases?

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Shouldn't it be easy to know how much more testing is being done and if that correlates to the increase in positive cases?

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That would involve Denise Driehaus or anyone in the County Commissioners' office knowing much about anything.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

“Point out please, where I've allegedly "repeated Trump's lies". Ok the most recent example (there are plenty in the other politics thread)- This article was written 3 weeks ago, referencing Trumps remarks that the Javitts and Comfort were “barely used” and you stated almost word for word the exact same thing. When I came back with data that contradicts that (1100 patients is beyond barely) you then used the convention centers capacity, which realistically was closer to 3000 and not 1900, to state it was barely used because they COULD have squeezed more than 1100 people in the 4 weeks they treated COVID patients. Trump lied to attack Cuomo. You reiterated that lie. Because “barely” is a subjective term that generates opinion instead of something objective, you will continue to claim 1100 patients in 4 weeks meets that criteria.

Also I didn’t directly call you a name, just suggested possible senility. You are the real life “man yells at cloud” gif.

Congrats on voting for Obama. You are truly bipartisan!

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The 1900 number came from the NPR article, or did you not bother to read it? Not a lie. And it was underutilized. Not from Trump's statement but from those on the ground- including this from the NPR article with a quote from "Dario Gonzales, an emergency Doctor with the NYC Fire Department who helped lead the medical response at the temporary hospital at the Javitts Center in Manhattan- "It was very disappointing, Gonzalez said. Everybody was here, ready to work, ready to get patients in....(but) Gonzalez said it could have handled a lot more". "We all could have done a better job, And we've really got to get it together next time". See. Lloyd. This was an attempted NPR slam on the Feds as to how they supposedly overspent, but it backfires on them when you look at how local NY State and City officials handled it. Not my lie. Not Trump's lie, but a statement from every media outlet- probably from trying to "own the Cons" by showing how empty those emergency hospitals were- but it backfired. And, by the way, The article you link to above I had never seen it until now, and never quoted anything here or anywhere else- including on the politics thread from it. You are sinking into delusion my friend in your continued desperate attempt to slam me and prove your unprovable point. Now you are assuming, and we all know what that means. I could say you are lying again to "get" me, but I'll be kind.

And, errrr, I wouldn't say that a 1900 bed facility was "squeezed" when it only had a grand total of 1100 patients over a just over one month period when large hospitals usually can handle almost 3 times that number. Totally poor utilization by NY- and Dr. Gonzalez attests to that. Meanwhile Cuomo is taking victory laps over the dead bodies of 6000 Nursing Home patients that died from the orders to "Send them back' from hospitals into the Homes.

Congrats on your blatant partisanship! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!