Sean Miller: The Thread

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Originally Posted by Xville

Well we understand now that you think you know more than miller and you believe he’s not an exceptional coach. You disagree with basically everyone that knows anything about basketball. Interesting hot take.

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Where are getting these conclusions?

“I believe I know more than Miller.” I don’t recall saying that. Can you point me to where I said that.

“You believe he’s not an exceptional coach.” Again did I actually say that? Or are you saying you know what I believe even though I never said that? Or possibly, my unvarnished views about what contributed to the mess we have this year is too much for you to handle and you prefer to ignore the information
that is available to you and simply attack someone that calls it like I see it.

“You disagree with everyone that knows anything about basketball”. Ok, hyperbole much? I would consider you to be an astute judge of basketball acumen, as evidenced by your 13 Big East win prediction that was based on who-knows-what other than the fact you WANTED them to win 13 games.

Honestly bro. Just watch. Stop being a fan, and WATCH THIS GARBAGE TEAM. Tell me it’s well constructed, or well prepared, or well coached.

Of course Free was (and is) a risk. But his existence severely limited what Sean could do to mitigate the risk. Imagine going to a PF (or C if you prefer) in the portal at Free’s level with this pitch: yes, Free is All Big East level when healthy and of course would play 30+ minutes but he is a risk for us so please come to us instead of somewhere else where you are guaranteed 30+ minutes and the same NIL or more (which is a little limited because of what Free and Hunter will get and what we need for a good PG and a shooter).

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Originally Posted by MHettel

Where are getting these conclusions?

“I believe I know more than Miller.” I don’t recall saying that. Can you point me to where I said that.

“You believe he’s not an exceptional coach.” Again did I actually say that? Or are you saying you know what I believe even though I never said that? Or possibly, my unvarnished views about what contributed to the mess we have this year is too much for you to handle and you prefer to ignore the information
that is available to you and simply attack someone that calls it like I see it.

“You disagree with everyone that knows anything about basketball”. Ok, hyperbole much? I would consider you to be an astute judge of basketball acumen, as evidenced by your 13 Big East win prediction that was based on who-knows-what other than the fact you WANTED them to win 13 games.

Honestly bro. Just watch. Stop being a fan, and WATCH THIS GARBAGE TEAM. Tell me it’s well constructed, or well prepared, or well coached.

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I have watched BRO. I’m aware of what this season turned out to be. One season does not a coach, program or team make. You seriously need to get a grip and get off the hindsight train.

The 13 win prediction was based on how the schedule broke in February and how the team had performed up to that point. There were signs the team was getting better, and the schedule was more favorable in feb than January. X was 5-5 at the end of Jan. Three games against DePaul, gtown. Home at nova, providence, creighton and Marquette. Road seton hall and butler. Perfectly acceptable to think they could pull 8 wins out of that group. They fizzled and the freshmen hit a wall. It happens. Let you in on a secret, you’re not always right either.


However, As nuts said congrats you were right for once about this season. Your t-shirt is in the mail.

Everything you have said about miller the last few weeks points to exactly how you feel about him so don’t backtrack now.

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Originally Posted by MHettel

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“You believe he’s not an exceptional coach.” Again did I actually say that? Or are you saying you know what I believe even though I never said that? Or possibly, my unvarnished views about what contributed to the mess we have this year is too much for you to handle and you prefer to ignore the information
that is available to you and simply attack someone that calls it like I see it.

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Wasn’t it you that questioned if he was a good enough coach to be successful in the BE? You or XUKeith maybe. Something like doing it in the A-10 isn’t too impressive and at Arizona just had more talent than everyone.

It was just such an interesting time to argue that fresh off the 2nd best season X has had in the BE. On a roster that never finished higher than 6th under Steele.

* if I would’ve read the thread I would see, it was indeed you. It’s easy to make arguments when you throw out last years success. Maybe 3-4 better regular seasons in program history, with only 3 better post seasons.

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Originally Posted by Xavier

Wasn’t it you that questioned if he was a good enough coach to be successful in the BE? You or XUKeith maybe. Something like doing it in the A-10 isn’t too impressive and at Arizona just had more talent than everyone.

It was just such an interesting time to argue that fresh off the 2nd best season X has had in the BE. On a roster that never finished higher than 6th under Steele.

* if I would’ve read the thread I would see, it was indeed you. It’s easy to make arguments when you throw out last years success. Maybe 3-4 better regular seasons in program history, with only 3 better post seasons.

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Last year was great. We had a loaded roster and adding Boum was huge. I gave Miller a TON of Credit for having Jerome and Free stop taking 3s.

With that said last year seemed so great because Steele kept squandering the talent that he had. Arguably last years roster was the best in the past 5 years and Miller did a lot with it. I’m not sure I ever said or suggested otherwise

Fair enough, I thought I saw you question if he could coach in the BE. Saw it somewhere here, must have been a different poster.

Though I will say, most people coming into the year wouldn’t have thought it was a loaded team. And as I mentioned, it was mainly 6 or 7 guys tops. It wasn’t that loaded, IMO. People complained about lack of depth throughout the Year.

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Originally Posted by Xavier

Fair enough, I thought I saw you question if he could coach in the BE. Saw it somewhere here, must have been a different poster.

Though I will say, most people coming into the year wouldn’t have thought it was a loaded team. And as I mentioned, it was mainly 6 or 7 guys tops. It wasn’t that loaded, IMO. People complained about lack of depth throughout the Year.

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Most people thought that because Steele was so awful that it seemed like the playeds MUST have been bad.

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Originally Posted by Xville

7-8 guys away? Come on man. Way too much doom and gloom. And how was miller supposed to get a nzeh type player last year again in April when he took over? How many of those guys you think were out there available when there was zero playing time available and was all of a sudden going to be ready to go this year?

This questioning by you of miller is getting quite ridiculous. The guy has a track record and everyone and their brother says he is an amazing coach. Plus, we have seen it firsthand yet all you have been doing is making excuses for why he isn’t. Why?

Next year, One of hunter/free, a replacement for q and a legit 4/5 and the team is top 5 in be big East and in the tourney. Write it down

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I agree. I think we are one guy away on this team being really good. We lose Q so I think we are 2 away for next year.

And why the hell does everyone always discount any player jumps/development from one year to the next? See Claude last year to this year. Colby Jones Soph to Jr year. If Claude takes the leap Colby did, watch out.

If Green and Swain take the type of leaps Claude did from year 1 to 2, watch out.

If Miller secure a shooter and a big guy this offseason X is in business.

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Originally Posted by Drew

X will never have the bucks to pay our players competitively and the coach competitively. Long term the better play is probably to prioritize funds for the players. Best coach in the world can't win without players.

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See, Steele, Travis for how bad teams can be with good players but a bad coach.

No thanks.

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Originally Posted by A Fan

That is a very astute observation made succinctly . A wordier rendition goes like this. At schools like Xavier that don’t have seemingly unlimited athletic funds like the big state schools, Athletic Directors will weigh whether a high priced coach is needed to coach average players. Said otherwise, if a school has a $3 M coach and a $ 1M collective would they be better off with a $ 1M coach and a $3M collective. Look at the NBA. What percentage of the players salaries is the coaches’ salaries.? Why shouldn’t colleges be the same?

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Because then we'd be stuck with Travis Steele.