Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by X-man

Please define "fair trade". All trade creates winners and losers. So do all trade restrictions. It's just that trade itself is a positive sum game, i.e. the winners gain more than the losers lose.

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I used quotes because I think it's a load of crap. I agree with Trump on getting rid of the sunset clauses, but his focus on trade imbalances is not based on any economic realities.

This is an interesting article that discusses the differences between real estate and other negotiations (that might essentially be one time deals) versus trade and other things between countries that are ongoing situations.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...g-of-the-world

What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this Maxine Waters strategy?!?

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...81944056664064

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Originally Posted by paulxu

This is an interesting article that discusses the differences between real estate and other negotiations (that might essentially be one time deals) versus trade and other things between countries that are ongoing situations.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...g-of-the-world

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Very interesting, but depressing, read. Thanks for sharing.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this Maxine Waters strategy?!?

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...81944056664064

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What is up with politicians? Both sides are (for decades) using anger and fear for votes. Unfortunately we play into these games.

Didn't trump tell his people to go out and punch somebody in the mouth? Civility is dead.

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Originally Posted by Caf

Harley-Davidson to Shift Production Overseas to Offset EU Tariffs

Well that didn't go as planned...

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Interesting when you consider US tariffs on Japanese heavy bikes saved HD in the 80s.
And they’re only moving some of their production to Europe which was part of a larger plan to move production to be closer to their prime consumers as US sales have sagged since the mid 2000s.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Interesting when you consider US tariffs on Japanese heavy bikes saved HD in the 80s.
And they’re only moving some of their production to Europe which was part of a larger plan to move production to be closer to their prime consumers as US sales have sagged since the mid 2000s.

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You can try to spin it however you want, but....

Harley Davidson CEO Matthew S Levatich:
"Our decision to move some of our operations is 100% based on President Trumps tariffs. Mr. Trump knows nothing about economics and even less about trade. The man is a moron."

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

You can try to spin it however you want, but....

Harley Davidson CEO Matthew S Levatich:
"Our decision to move some of our operations is 100% based on President Trumps tariffs. Mr. Trump knows nothing about economics and even less about trade. The man is a moron."

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Actually, it’s some of their production and this is great cover for a company that prides itself on being made in America. His statement is Marketing and not about Econ. Read an article from CBS stating the company was eying shifting some production to the EU and Brazil. Again, blaming Trump is great PR for an “American made” brand shifting SOME of its production overseas.

By the way, the EU tariffs caused the move not the US tariffs on steel and alluminum.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Actually, it’s some of their production and this is great cover for a company that prides itself on being made in America. His statement is Marketing and not about Econ. Read an article from CBS stating the company was eying shifting some production to the EU and Brazil. Again, blaming Trump is great PR for an “American made” brand shifting SOME of its production overseas.

By the way, the EU tariffs caused the move not the US tariffs on steel and alluminum.

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I can see your theory being true... but you think Harley Davidson’s target audience are those that don’t support Trump? Admittedly I don’t know a ton of bikers but I know some, and blaming Trump typically wouldn’t go over well with them.