Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

Forget any narrative that supports any agenda on this illegal invasion. The reality created by it is undeniable.

The O'Biden open border has allowed approx 10 million to enter. A low estimate is that 15 million illegals were already here. To suggest that 25 million illegals are not severely impacting our healthcare system in both COST and ability for healthcare workers to treat them, is beyond ignorant. Medicaid or no insurance at all...for the vast majority.

There are studies estimating a National economic hit at 500 BILLION ANNUALLY for food, housing, education, healthcare, cash entitlements and additional social services. One study estimates just the crime "costs" of these illegals in the hundreds of millions.

Devastating to both the Healthcare crisis and the already absurd deficit.

Any attempt to white wash this disaster is foolish.

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Illegals can't get medicaid unless its absolutely an emergency situation, which as described in that article is only in completely dire straits. and no insurance?...again, they risk deportation. Why would they go to the hospital, doctor for that risk?

500 billion, really? Come on man. Think about that for a second and just use some common sense, and know that's absurd. It's not nothing, I'm not ignorant to believe that, it does cost a significant amount of money, and it's something that does need to be fixed.


I'd just encourage you to also read the other side once in a while to get the full scope of the situation and realize it's not all black and white. You digest one side of the story over and over.


BTW, I'm not "supporting" any agenda on what you call an "illegal invasion." I'm just saying those two things that I listed in my original post, has been caused by our own doing, and illegals entering the country is a drop in the bucket compared to what we have already done with those two broken "systems."

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Originally Posted by Xville

1. Fix the healthcare system. I work in this area and everyone is making money hand over fist, every step of the way. Employers, consumers are getting effed and the system wants you to be sick and lazy..

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Your boy Obama created this mess. His system was meant to crush the little guy, especially small business owners and self-employed. Also, during the Covid fiasco, you stood up for top-down government intervention that blocked all other solutions not approved by the elites - those who ultimately got it all wrong, from nutrition to exercise to unapproved remedies.

"system wants you to be sick and lazy" - no shit!! That's exactly how they managed the damn pandemic. What, are you now reading Berenson?

You fought me and others tooth and nail on all of this in the Covid thread. One wonders what you really believe. One wonders when you're telling the truth.

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Originally Posted by Xville

2. Clean up our deficit. At some point, the bill is going to come due.

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Gee, I thought only right-wing nutjobs thought that there was a limit on spending...

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Originally Posted by Xville

Meh, not really. If undocumented begin working, which a lot do, then we collect taxes.

In terms of healthcare, the problems go far beyond what immigrants bring in. Hospitals, Insurance Companies and their PBMs are the main culprits in all of this. This is just a study below but points to some clues on our health systema and immigrants. Moreover, undocumented are a very small part of any type of drain on our healthcare system. Why? Because they fear deportation.

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Umm, illegals are using stolen and fake social security cards that are copied and used by multiple individuals. My wife is in the biz, and sees it firsthand.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

The Border Patrol loses out once again, as Republicans vote down the bill they helped to write, to address the issues at the border.
Nice job.
(Somewhere Trump is laughing his ass off)

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So…
There is no major immigration border problem when Biden takes office. This despite the fact that the Democrats fought Trump on every move he made.
Biden takes office then screws up the border.
Then Biden and you blame the Republicans for not bailing Biden out of his own self created problems?
F- him. He could have left things as they were, but he didn’t.
Your history re-writing is incredibly ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Your boy Obama created this mess. His system was meant to crush the little guy, especially small business owners and self-employed. Also, during the Covid fiasco, you stood up for top-down government intervention that blocked all other solutions not approved by the elites - those who ultimately got it all wrong, from nutrition to exercise to unapproved remedies.

"system wants you to be sick and lazy" - no shit!! That's exactly how they managed the damn pandemic. What, are you now reading Berenson?

You fought me and others tooth and nail on all of this in the Covid thread. One wonders what you really believe. One wonders when you're telling the truth.




Gee, I thought only right-wing nutjobs thought that there was a limit on spending...




Umm, illegals are using stolen and fake social security cards that are copied and used by multiple individuals. My wife is in the biz, and sees it firsthand.

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One, not my boy. Two, no. wrong. There is plenty of good and bad with what ACA did. He is certainly not the cause of this mess.

I'm not going back to covid. Again, there were things that were done incorrectly, and some correctly.

MOR says there was no major border problem when Biden took office? Holy crap what a rewriting of history that is. Did Biden make it worse? Yeah probably..but not a major problem? Good grief...its been a major problem for decades upon decades.

Damn, I was sure that Republicans were involved in crafting the Senate bill that Trump ordered his sycophants to kill.

Guess it was all the Dems doing.

Langford worked on that bill 4 months. Now sez it is trash.

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Originally Posted by Xville

One, not my boy. Two, no. wrong. There is plenty of good and bad with what ACA did. He is certainly not the cause of this mess.

I'm not going back to covid. Again, there were things that were done incorrectly, and some correctly.

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Talking out of both sides of your mouth to avoid taking responsibility for everything YOU got wrong. No surprise...

Are you on ACA? I am. Have been since day 1 - it's a fucking mess.

What exactly was done correctly during covid - other than in Florida?

You keeping up on your boosters? What number are you on now?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Talking out of both sides of your mouth to avoid taking responsibility for everything YOU got wrong. No surprise...

Are you on ACA? I am. Have been since day 1 - it's a fucking mess.

What exactly was done correctly during covid - other than in Florida?

You keeping up on your boosters? What number are you on now?

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By ACA, do you mean individual exchange or what exactly? Health care was a mess before and a mess now. Nothings changed except how it’s a mess

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Originally Posted by Xville

By ACA, do you mean individual exchange or what exactly? Health care was a mess before and a mess now. Nothings changed except how it’s a mess

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I am on an individual exchange plan. Has generally been pretty great. Every November I go to the portal where I am able to compare all of the plans side by side and pick the one that works best for me. Makes shopping for health insurance really easy.