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Skip this thread now because it's toxic, but if any of you get a chance take a peek at Alabama's ruling regarding IVF frozen embryos. It is a doozy of a decision.

I can take it personal because my wife and I had to use IVF to have any children at all. We had three remaining embryos that we chose to have destroyed after our children reached over a year old. Storage fees were $500/year. We actually forgot the first year and had to pay in arrears.

I am curious how Alabama will choose to legislate this ruling. Do they want to just penalize storage facilities? Will it hit the people like my family?

My hope is they choose to do nothing. IVF is cost prohibitive and families go into it trying to make the best odds they can in one shot. That typically means as many fertilized embryos as possible. This decision severely complicates this process.

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Originally Posted by xuphan

No offense but do you live in a bubble? Just spend a few hours in your local Walmart and you will for sure see what is wrong with people. People have no shame on how they act in society and there are a severe lack of consequences in our society.

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Yeah, because the radical progressive left has won.

They have successfully NORMALISED.....DEI, CRT and all of the nasty post George Floyd BLM RIOTS....no problem. NO BOND for violent felonies and NO PROSECUTION for people of color criminals are the NEW NORM. ALL Big DEM city law enforcement has become castrated and demoralised.

The radical progressives now know the "brain dead" liberal "white guilt" population is sleepwalking. This O'Biden radical progressive ideology will continue to take all of us down in this toxic insanity.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ben-cr...hats-ludicrous

This is an unconscious attempt to further the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.

I simply CAN NOT understand why anyone votes Dem.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

Yeah, because the radical progressive left has won.

They have successfully NORMALISED.....DEI, CRT and all of the nasty post George Floyd BLM RIOTS....no problem. NO BOND for violent felonies and NO PROSECUTION for people of color criminals are the NEW NORM. ALL Big DEM city law enforcement has become castrated and demoralised.

The radical progressives now know the "brain dead" liberal "white guilt" population is sleepwalking. This O'Biden radical progressive ideology will continue to take all of us down in this toxic insanity.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ben-cr...hats-ludicrous

This is an unconscious attempt to further the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.

I simply CAN NOT understand why anyone votes Dem.

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I simply CAN NOT understand how anyone can defend either party at this point. Both are now controlled by the radicals in their party. Joe Biden owns the left even though moderates have made it clear that he is too old and mentally unfit to serve another term. The right is owned by Donald Trump who seems to live in court rooms and has a screw loose in his brain. Either side could easily win the 2024 election if they put a competent candidate yet neither will for some odd reason. Why? Why are both sides scared of these old men? I am at the point where I will not vote for either Biden or Trump if those are the options in November. Not putting my name for either of these unfit candidates.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Skip this thread now because it's toxic, but if any of you get a chance take a peek at Alabama's ruling regarding IVF frozen embryos. It is a doozy of a decision.

I can take it personal because my wife and I had to use IVF to have any children at all. We had three remaining embryos that we chose to have destroyed after our children reached over a year old. Storage fees were $500/year. We actually forgot the first year and had to pay in arrears.

I am curious how Alabama will choose to legislate this ruling. Do they want to just penalize storage facilities? Will it hit the people like my family?

My hope is they choose to do nothing. IVF is cost prohibitive and families go into it trying to make the best odds they can in one shot. That typically means as many fertilized embryos as possible. This decision severely complicates this process.

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My wife and I too were only able to conceive thru IVF as well. We had one embryo left that we kept for I believe either one or two years that we ultimately destroyed which honestly really saddens me to this day but after twins, we decided that we couldn't take on a third.

Anyways, it sounds like the Dems and Pubs in the state government are actually working together to fix the issue. For the time being though, it sucks for those families who are in the middle of this.

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Originally Posted by xuphan

I simply CAN NOT understand how anyone can defend either party at this point. Both are now controlled by the radicals in their party. Joe Biden owns the left even though moderates have made it clear that he is too old and mentally unfit to serve another term. The right is owned by Donald Trump who seems to live in court rooms and has a screw loose in his brain. Either side could easily win the 2024 election if they put a competent candidate yet neither will for some odd reason. Why? Why are both sides scared of these old men? I am at the point where I will not vote for either Biden or Trump if those are the options in November. Not putting my name for either of these unfit candidates.

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All of this. My father who is a life long Dem and thinks Donald Trump is the devil, told me that for the first time since he was eligible he will not be casting a ballot in the general if Biden is on the ticket. Voting GOP was never going to be an option for him, but he said he just can't bring himself to vote for an unfit candidate. I told him that not voting was basically giving a vote to Trump in Ohio and he said he doesn't give a rip. "I've never voted against anyone in my life and I'm too old to start now" Boomers and their principles..

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Originally Posted by Smails

All of this. My father who is a life long Dem and thinks Donald Trump is the devil, told me that for the first time since he was eligible he will not be casting a ballot in the general if Biden is on the ticket. Voting GOP was never going to be an option for him, but he said he just can't bring himself to vote for an unfit candidate. I told him that not voting was basically giving a vote to Trump in Ohio and he said he doesn't give a rip. "I've never voted against anyone in my life and I'm too old to start now" Boomers and their principles..

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I'm right there with him. Not that my vote matters in Kentucky, but for the second consecutive election, it doesn't look like I'll be voting. I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils whoever that may be.

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Originally Posted by Xville

My wife and I too were only able to conceive thru IVF as well. We had one embryo left that we kept for I believe either one or two years that we ultimately destroyed which honestly really saddens me to this day but after twins, we decided that we couldn't take on a third.

Anyways, it sounds like the Dems and Pubs in the state government are actually working together to fix the issue. For the time being though, it sucks for those families who are in the middle of this.

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Careful, if I read it correct the Supreme Court of Alabama only called an embryo a child. There is no criminal law on the books yet to my knowledge. I was more curious what people thought on here about the possibility of laws in Alabama and how they might spread across more conservative states. Also the ramifications of such laws.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Careful, if I read it correct the Supreme Court of Alabama only called an embryo a child. There is no criminal law on the books yet to my knowledge. I was more curious what people thought on here about the possibility of laws in Alabama and how they might spread across more conservative states. Also the ramifications of such laws.

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Thomas pretty well guaranteed it in his concurring opinion in Dobbs. He is openly inviting challengers so the Court could reconsider it positions on birth control, private consensual sex, and gay marriage ("For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.")

I think there is a real fear of certain parts of the Country, especially in the South, becoming a theocracy.

Finally, the Alabama court ruling is so scary because it found that an embryo is a child in terms of an already written wrongful death statute. It is not a far leap to find those same embyos are children under the already written murder statute. It would make the actions taken by you and Xville murder. That is just fucking bat shit insane and a slap in the face of the countless numbers of families that have gone through this process in the hope of becoming parents or growing their family.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Thomas pretty well guaranteed it in his concurring opinion in Dobbs. He is openly inviting challengers so the Court could reconsider it positions on birth control, private consensual sex, and gay marriage ("For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.")

I think there is a real fear of certain parts of the Country, especially in the South, becoming a theocracy.

Finally, the Alabama court ruling is so scary because it found that an embryo is a child in terms of an already written wrongful death statute. It is not a far leap to find those same embyos are children under the already written murder statute. It would make the actions taken by you and Xville murder. That is just fucking bat shit insane and a slap in the face of the countless numbers of families that have gone through this process in the hope of becoming parents or growing their family.

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I may be wrong but I think this is the part the Alabama Dems and the Pubs saw in the ruling that they are quickly trying to legislate against. Correct? I thought that's what i read but maybe I dreamt that lol.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I may be wrong but I think this is the part the Alabama Dems and the Pubs saw in the ruling that they are quickly trying to legislate against. Correct? I thought that's what i read but maybe I dreamt that lol.

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I do not know the ins and outs of Alabama law, but it would seem to me if it is based on an interpretation of the Alabama constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to fix it (which may be possible through just the legislature, but I do not know).