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Originally Posted by xuwillie

I think its an awful bill. I'm all for legal entry but There should be zero undocumented crossings (I know unrealistic) but we are going to allow 5k a day or 1.8m a year?! Also, I don't understand why Ukraine has to be tied to this bill. 62billion?? So far we have given them 74billion and we want to almost double that on this bill alone

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I think the number is high, but it is much lower than what has been occurring (I know not exactly a ringing endorsement.) However, again that doesn't mean 5k are going to enter and stay. A significant amount are going to be turned right back around and sent home.

Regarding Ukraine, I'm not going to pretend the foreign policy ins and outs here. However, what I do know is that China and Iran are watching, and Putin is a despicable human being. If giving money, keeps the US out of war, then there are worse things that our government spends money on.

Two things:

* Lankford is now a proven liar

* Ville got hoodwinked by RINOs, again


From the bill itself:

Creates Sec. 244B of the Immigration and Nationality Act which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security new emergency authority to respond to extraordinary migration circumstances. The “border emergency authority” may be exercised if the 7-day average number of cumulative encounters of inadmissible aliens is between 4,000 and 5,000 per day and must be exercised if the 7-day average is above 5,000 per day. Exercise of the authority is also required if the number of encounters on a single day exceeds 8,500. Unaccompanied minors from non-contiguous countries are not included in the total number of encounters for the purposes of this section


https://www.appropriations.senate.go...by-section.pdf

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Two things:

* Lankford is now a proven liar

* Ville got hoodwinked by RINOs, again


From the bill itself:

Creates Sec. 244B of the Immigration and Nationality Act which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security new emergency authority to respond to extraordinary migration circumstances. The “border emergency authority” may be exercised if the 7-day average number of cumulative encounters of inadmissible aliens is between 4,000 and 5,000 per day and must be exercised if the 7-day average is above 5,000 per day. Exercise of the authority is also required if the number of encounters on a single day exceeds 8,500. Unaccompanied minors from non-contiguous countries are not included in the total number of encounters for the purposes of this section


https://www.appropriations.senate.go...by-section.pdf

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This will be good. What did Lankford lie about? You think that 5,000 number is just being led in with open arms and are allowed to move about the country dontcha? Lol.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...s-border-bill/

https://www.newsweek.com/senate-bord...ll-aid-1866774

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Originally Posted by Xville

I think the number is high, but it is much lower than what has been occurring (I know not exactly a ringing endorsement.) However, again that doesn't mean 5k are going to enter and stay. A significant amount are going to be turned right back around
Regarding Ukraine, I'm not going to pretend the foreign policy ins and outs here. However, what I do know is that China and Iran are watching, and Putin is a despicable human being. If giving money, keeps the US out of war, then there are worse things that our government spends money on.

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That makes sense and sounds like we are flying back illegals now. But what do we do when Taiwan is invaded? They’ll need a lot of help also. We can’t be the only country helping everyone. Just look at the Ukraine aid numbers. Closest other county giving aid is Germany at 21b total.

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

That makes sense and sounds like we are flying back illegals now. But what do we do when Taiwan is invaded? They’ll need a lot of help also. We can’t be the only country helping everyone. Just look at the Ukraine aid numbers. Closest other county giving aid is Germany at 21b total.

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I hear ya. The amount of money this is taking is pretty astronomical and as you and I know, we have our own domestic problems. It does beg the question of where/when is the end? Russia, China and Iran are all major problems.

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Originally Posted by Xville

This will be good. What did Lankford lie about? You think that 5,000 number is just being led in with open arms and are allowed to move about the country dontcha? Lol.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...s-border-bill/

https://www.newsweek.com/senate-bord...ll-aid-1866774

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Are you really that naive?

In your own article your boy Lankford is bragging that the bill drops the numbers of illegals flowing over the border from 10K to 5K per day. What sane person would think this is a positive, or a good compromise?

What will change on the ground (in reality) if this bill is passed, other than the number per day? And do you really think someone like Biden would abide by those numbers - let alone accurately tally them?


"You think that 5,000 number is just being led in with open arms and are allowed to move about the country dontcha?"

Uh, yes.

Blue states and cities continue to provide financial incentives for illegals to come to the US. Prosecution of crimes such as DUIs, beating up cops, or faking social security numbers to gain access to free healthcare aren't pursued. Once in the country, they're free to move about while they wait for their court hearings. Then, years later when the court hearing date arrives, only a tiny percentage of illegals actually show up.


Moreover, this bill could make things worse: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...aign=topunroll

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Are you really that naive?

In your own article your boy Lankford is bragging that the bill drops the numbers of illegals flowing over the border from 10K to 5K per day. What sane person would think this is a positive, or a good compromise?

What will change on the ground (in reality) if this bill is passed, other than the number per day? And do you really think someone like Biden would abide by those numbers - let alone accurately tally them?


"You think that 5,000 number is just being led in with open arms and are allowed to move about the country dontcha?"

Uh, yes.

Blue states and cities continue to provide financial incentives for illegals to come to the US. Prosecution of crimes such as DUIs, beating up cops, or faking social security numbers to gain access to free healthcare aren't pursued. Once in the country, they're free to move about while they wait for their court hearings. Then, years later when the court hearing date arrives, only a tiny percentage of illegals actually show up.


Moreover, this bill could make things worse: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...aign=topunroll

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this bill changes that. If you choose to Ted Cruz everything that's fine. I'm well aware you're not a serious debater and just throw out fringe right talking points as your "evidence."

The asylum process would be completely overhauled as I indicated and so would the deportation process. I guess you chose to ignore that since it's not part of your vernacular.

Moving on.

So again, where did Lankford lie?

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Originally Posted by Xville

So again, where did Lankford lie?

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OMG, you can't be serious? We're already at the point where you begin to play your games of denying facts and what's been said?

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Originally Posted by Xville

For those who want to make shit up ( like Cruz and trump). Here’s the truth from one of the actual writers of the legislation:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-se...election-year/

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From your own link:

“Right now these internet rumors is all the people are running on,” Lankford said. It would be absolutely absurd for me to agree to 5,000 people a day. This bill focuses on getting us to zero illegal crossings a day. There’s no amnesty. It increases the number of border patrol agents, increases asylum officers. It increases detention beds so we can quickly detain and then deport individuals. It ends catch and release. It focuses on additional deportation flights out. It changes our asylum process so that people get a fast asylum screening at a higher standard, and then get returned back to their home country. This is not about letting 5,000 people in a day. This is the most misunderstood section of this proposal.”

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Two things:

* Lankford is now a proven liar

* Ville got hoodwinked by RINOs, again


From the bill itself:

Creates Sec. 244B of the Immigration and Nationality Act which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security new emergency authority to respond to extraordinary migration circumstances. The “border emergency authority” may be exercised if the 7-day average number of cumulative encounters of inadmissible aliens is between 4,000 and 5,000 per day and must be exercised if the 7-day average is above 5,000 per day. Exercise of the authority is also required if the number of encounters on a single day exceeds 8,500. Unaccompanied minors from non-contiguous countries are not included in the total number of encounters for the purposes of this section


https://www.appropriations.senate.go...by-section.pdf

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

OMG, you can't be serious? We're already at the point where you begin to play your games of denying facts and what's been said?




From your own link:

“Right now these internet rumors is all the people are running on,” Lankford said. It would be absolutely absurd for me to agree to 5,000 people a day. This bill focuses on getting us to zero illegal crossings a day. There’s no amnesty. It increases the number of border patrol agents, increases asylum officers. It increases detention beds so we can quickly detain and then deport individuals. It ends catch and release. It focuses on additional deportation flights out. It changes our asylum process so that people get a fast asylum screening at a higher standard, and then get returned back to their home country. This is not about letting 5,000 people in a day. This is the most misunderstood section of this proposal.”

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So nothing he said there is a lie. 5,000 are not going to be entering the country per day. A significant number will be turned right back around and deported. Another section will be held in camps. If you can't understand all of that, you don't understand what happens at the border and I can't help you.

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Originally Posted by Xville

The asylum process would be completely overhauled as I indicated and so would the deportation process. I guess you chose to ignore that since it's not part of your vernacular.

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No, actually you did none of the above.

Actually, you're regurgitating fringe left talking points as your "evidence."

Show me in the bill - not some leftwing fringe website you're now in the habit of quoting - where it proves what you said.

Show me where it says that when those 4999 people per day come over the border in between ports of entry that they will be denied access to the country, or will be deported immediately after being found wandering within our borders.