Covid-19

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

I'm going to say this very slowly in hopes that you understand: I. Don't. Have. A. Political. Party. Of. Choice. I find it telling that you seem to be completely unable to understand that as a concept.

Also, yes. I do completely blame Cuomo for the Nursing Home situation in New York and Murphy for the situation in New Jersey. You can hold opinions like that when you don't rely on being spoon fed your opinions from the media outlet of your choice.

As far as the Federal Government goes: I believe that their role is to ensure the greater good when necessary and subordinate to the states otherwise. Coordinating Pandemic response (along with natural disasters) falls under that umbrella for me.

It's also worth noting that states like New York and New Jersey pay billions more in federal taxes than they receive in benefit, so I don't really think they are 'on the dole' so to speak from the Feds.

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Natural Disasters usually only affect 1-4 states at a time, not all 50. One size does not fit all, whether it be disasters or pandemics. The Governors of their own unique states are supposed to caretake that state. That is what this country was founded upon, not unchecked Federal power. . And as to your point about all the taxes NY and NJ pay, those two states received an outsized, uh, EXTREMELY outsized share of attention and assistance from the Feds.

By the way. Since you really like to subtweet. I don't watch any cable news and read stuff from many diverse outlets. I'm "spoon fed" nothing.

This is an article from Science magazine, primarily focused on how the virus spreads in the air.
Not any studies per se, but observations on what is going on and some history.
Some very interesting stuff, especially the idea of 6 feet of separation being from the 1930's, and perhaps not enough this time.
For a difference in response, they note:
New York State 20 million people, lock down approach, 24,000 deaths
Taiwan 24 million people, coordinated national response, no lockdown, everybody wearing masks....7 deaths.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abc6197

nb: yes, I still wear a mask in public; high risk group.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Natural Disasters usually only affect 1-4 states at a time, not all 50. One size does not fit all, whether it be disasters or pandemics. The Governors of their own unique states are supposed to caretake that state. That is what this country was founded upon, not unchecked Federal power. . And as to your point about all the taxes NY and NJ pay, those two states received an outsized, uh, EXTREMELY outsized share of attention and assistance from the Feds.

By the way. Since you really like to subtweet. I don't watch any cable news and read stuff from many diverse outlets. I'm "spoon fed" nothing.

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What does attention and assistance mean? I'm talking purely financially - they pay more to the Federal Coffers than they receive.

COVID basically affected 6 states: New York, New Jersey, Washington, California, Michigan, and Illinois. The overwhelming majority of the impact was in just NY and NJ. I don't think that helping to facilitate an agreement to share resources across state lines is 'unchecked Federal Power'. They don't need to pass any laws, just help to develop a framework for reciprocity. People obviously disagree on the role of the Federal Government vs. the States though, and that's fine.

I don't know what subtweet means.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

This is an article from Science magazine, primarily focused on how the virus spreads in the air.
Not any studies per se, but observations on what is going on and some history.
Some very interesting stuff, especially the idea of 6 feet of separation being from the 1930's, and perhaps not enough this time.
For a difference in response, they note:
New York State 20 million people, lock down approach, 24,000 deaths
Taiwan 24 million people, coordinated national response, no lockdown, everybody wearing masks....7 deaths.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abc6197

nb: yes, I still wear a mask in public; high risk group.

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It really seems like just wearing a damn mask might solve like 90% of our problems.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

It really seems like just wearing a damn mask might solve like 90% of our problems.

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I will never understand how the hell it became a culture war issue. Just this morning Trump was tweeting out articles that were claiming mask wearing is based on government control, giving credit and amplifying a message that directly contradicts his own guidance on COVID19.

It just seems like such an easy win for him. I just don't see the political downside for him supporting mask wearing, and I think there is a good amount of upside (look at Dewine's approval ratings rise).

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I will never understand how the hell it became a culture war issue. Just this morning Trump was tweeting out articles that were claiming mask wearing is based on government control, giving credit and amplifying a message that directly contradicts his own guidance on COVID19.

It just seems like such an easy win for him. I just don't see the political downside for him supporting mask wearing, and I think there is a good amount of upside (look at Dewine's approval ratings rise).

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I agree. I also think it was a problem that they told everybody NOT to wear masks for the first 2 months of the outbreak. I never understood that one. How could it hurt? They were so worried about people buying up all the masks that they let it get in the way of good policy.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I will never understand how the hell it became a culture war issue. Just this morning Trump was tweeting out articles

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Think you got your answer if you stop there

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Originally Posted by paulxu

This is an article from Science magazine, primarily focused on how the virus spreads in the air.
Not any studies per se, but observations on what is going on and some history.
Some very interesting stuff, especially the idea of 6 feet of separation being from the 1930's, and perhaps not enough this time.
For a difference in response, they note:
New York State 20 million people, lock down approach, 24,000 deaths
Taiwan 24 million people, coordinated national response, no lockdown, everybody wearing masks....7 deaths.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abc6197

nb: yes, I still wear a mask in public; high risk group.

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Good article and thanks for posting. However, the article really brings some questions and concerns to light. Can’t believe the the WHO guidelines had to use 1930 data. Well since science is settled, I’m sure it’s all applicable today. On a serious note, with the SARS and swine flu (any novel or flu virus really), might be a good time to analyze how things our transmitted for the future vs relying on 1930 data. Just a thought.

Quote I like from the article. “Given how little is known about the production and airborne behavior of infectious respiratory droplets, it is difficult to define a safe distance for social distancing.”

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Yeah, you have sensationalism, fear porn and political bias from the MSM/left. That is counteracted by conspiracies, poo-pooing it, and another political bias from the right. It’s the pendulum effect in full display. Whatever you read, keep in mind the “slant”, and invest some time looking at the data, trends, and correlations. They reveal a lot more than words.

As to contradicting common conceptions, keep in mind that our understanding of this is evolving rapidly, so that is to be expected. It’s a good thing!

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A few weeks ago the NBC Nightly news had a piece on reactions since partial openings. They reported that Georgia cases had “surged 64% since partial re-openings” with a giant red arrow pointing straight up. What? I’m looking at the chart and the peak was in the distant past and cases were dropping sharply as seen on the 7 day moving average of the number of cases. But THAT doesn’t scare anyone! Oh, OK, the total number of cases was more than it was at the time of reopening, but let’s just twist things around to deliberately mislead people to keep them tuned for more news. Total horse shit!

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news-full-episodes

About the 5:30 mark.

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Quote I like from the article. “Given how little is known about the production and airborne behavior of infectious respiratory droplets, it is difficult to define a safe distance for social distancing.”

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But that's a great reason to be wearing a mask, especially indoors. It sure seems to have worked for Taiwan.