Covid-19

I read the article MOR posted from Switzerland. I was fascinated by a couple things there:

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Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles, smartphones or at the hairdresser).

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If it's NOT spread by particles in the air, or surfaces, I wonder how people actually become infected? I couldn't find the answer in the article, although maybe it was there and I missed it.

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There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.

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That one is really a head scratcher. Every time I go to the dentist/doctor, I'm assuming all the nurses, hygienists and doctors are healthy. But they're all wearing masks when they're working on me, in operating rooms, etc. Puzzling.

Lots of "mobility" data here from Google.
You guys in Ohio are really using the park system.(+69%)
Not so much people here in South Carolina (+29%)

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

You can even dive down to the county level.

Are all you Beck conspiracy theorists and Trump supporters going to start a hydroxychloroquine regimen? If so, good knowing 'ya.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I read the article MOR posted from Switzerland. I was fascinated by a couple things there:



If it's NOT spread by particles in the air, or surfaces, I wonder how people actually become infected? I couldn't find the answer in the article, although maybe it was there and I missed it.



That one is really a head scratcher. Every time I go to the dentist/doctor, I'm assuming all the nurses, hygienists and doctors are healthy. But they're all wearing masks when they're working on me, in operating rooms, etc. Puzzling.

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It actually does make sense:

1) It is spread in body fluid “droplets” (larger particles than aerosols)

2) This refers to effectiveness of the wearer. It is widely recognized that masks do not help the wearer, but so lend some effectiveness protecting others. This is because they block some droplets notes above. If COVID-19 spread by aerosols the masks would be totally useless. Medical professionals wear them to protect the patient. Wearing masks too long would seem make them moist and become traps for viruses. I’ve read this is especially true for medical, non N-95 masks.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Are all you Beck conspiracy theorists and Trump supporters going to start a hydroxychloroquine regimen? If so, good knowing 'ya.

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They won’t need to if they try the disinfectant injections first. ��

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Originally Posted by paulxu

If it's NOT spread by particles in the air, or surfaces, I wonder how people actually become infected? I couldn't find the answer in the article, although maybe it was there and I missed it.

Person to Person physical contact. In other words- shaking hands. This is why early on, the hand washing was such a big emphasis. Somehow that has morphed into aerosol. And by aerosol, I think they mean random particles, not if someone spits or sneezes in your face

That one is really a head scratcher. Every time I go to the dentist/doctor, I'm assuming all the nurses, hygienists and doctors are healthy. But they're all wearing masks when they're working on me, in operating rooms, etc. Puzzling.

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"In Healthy or asymptomatic individuals". They are wearing masks because some people may not be symptomatic yet, but may become that during the incubation period of 7-10 days. They are taking extra precautions. [\QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Also, back to the bars, who decides how many is too many? Is there a standard set by the reopening guidelines? Then what happens if a bar is allowed to have, say 50 people, they let 50 in, but all of them go congregate together? Should the bar be accountable? Should they hire "social distance bouncers"? How does the State enforce this? Can they hold the bar accountable based on photos taken some vigilante narcs? This is getting into a slippery slope...

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The Ohio standard is fairly creative to address these questions. It is not based on a set number, but instead the number of seats at tables that you can safely socially distance (either 6 feet apart or a physical barrier between them). So the main part of the rule is you can only eat and drink while sitting, and a party cannot be larger than 10 people. This will keep people from congregating in one corner of the bar. And if there isn't an open seat, then the bar is at capacity.

As far as enforcement, it is no different than any other rule put on bars and restaurants. The bar has a duty to ensure no one under 21 is in the bar after certain hours, hence why you will see a bouncer checking ids. If someone doesn't want to follow the rules the bar has the right to throw them out. If the bar doesn't want to enforce the rules then the State can hold them responsible by issuing fines or possible suspending their liquor license. You would assume there is some basic due process that requires more than a picture from a 'vigilante narc.'

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Are all you Beck conspiracy theorists and Trump supporters going to start a hydroxychloroquine regimen? If so, good knowing 'ya.

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You mean a drug that has helped countless people for decades when prescribed by a doctor?

Why does everyone want this drug to fail in its usefulness treating corona ? Bc Trump believes in it?

What happened to the “if it can save one life” mantra from the left ?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

It actually does make sense:

1) It is spread in body fluid “droplets” (larger particles than aerosols)

2) This refers to effectiveness of the wearer. It is widely recognized that masks do not help the wearer, but so lend some effectiveness protecting others. This is because they block some droplets notes above. If COVID-19 spread by aerosols the masks would be totally useless. Medical professionals wear them to protect the patient. Wearing masks too long would seem make them moist and become traps for viruses. I’ve read this is especially true for medical, non N-95 masks.

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Makes sense with the droplets vs aerosol particles, although I think they are investigating the latter as a possibility.
If masks help the other party more than the wearer, it would seem like they are a good idea for at least one party.
What if both wore them? Wouldn't that help the spread of a disease?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Makes sense with the droplets vs aerosol particles, although I think they are investigating the latter as a possibility.
If masks help the other party more than the wearer, it would seem like they are a good idea for at least one party.
What if both wore them? Wouldn't that help the spread of a disease?

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Absolutely. I don’t get those who refuse. I realize the effect is limited but it’s a small sacrifice for any effect at all.