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Originally Posted by paulxu

Thanks. Didn't see anything in the second link, but the first one was instructive.
The thrust of the article and the studies wasn't (according to how I read it) that the CDC admitted hospitalizations were over-counted by double.
Rather that many hospitalizations, in cases over 40%+, were mild symptoms that didn't end up requiring oxygen, intubation, etc.
I guess if someone is symptomatic, goes to the ER, and the doctor admits for observation...then it becomes a "hospitalization."
If they go for something else and are admitted (and they also are Covid +) then that might be counted incorrectly.

But whats the point? Hundreds of thousands have died from the virus. 2,000+/day are still dying. Maybe that's the number to focus on.
We turned the world upside down forever for the terrorist attack of 9/11 where 3,000 were killed on one day. We keep doing that every 2 days.....

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And probably 75-80% of Covid deaths have occurred in people aged 65 or older. We should've been focusing on the elderly and weakened population from the beginning. It's absolutely insane how the government and medical community has handled this.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...accine-5s.html

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Pfizer has officially submitted data to the FDA to receive authorization to use its shot in children aged six months old to five
If authorization is granted, it would make the U.S. the nation with the youngest eligibility for the Covid vaccine
Dr Cody Meissner, a member of an FDA advisory committee on vaccines, told DailyMail.com that he is not sure whether the shots are necessary for young kids
Children are extremely unlikely to suffer sever symptoms of die from Covid, data from the CDC shows

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Despite the push from regulators to expand eligibility for the shots to include young children, the controversial move would make the U.S. the only nation to jab children under one years old for Covid.

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Outside of children with serious comorbidities, he does not think there is a basis to approve the jab in the younger age group, and he especially fears green-lighting the shot will open the door for preschools and other facilities to institute vaccine mandates for young kids.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

You must be confused (again), post 7062 has nothing to do with your claim, which again, numerous links refuting.

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Let's go to the replay booth on this one:
- I post claim that vaccines are exhibiting negative efficacy against Omicron (the vaxxed are getting cases at a higher rate than unvaxxed)
- You ask me what I'm referring to and post two links to rebuttals of studies you thought were the basis of my claim.
- I posted (7062) observations from 2 of the very few geographies that report case data by vax status.
- You claim I didn't respond to your rebuttals of studies that had nothing to do with my claim.
- I clarified what I was referring to (which was not the studies you thought), and I posted a link to the UK data which is the most compelling.
- You claim that I am confused.

Now what didn't happen? You didn't look at the UK data I linked. I get it, the data were not well synthesized.

No problem! The Scottish health department did the synthesis for us for their data. Open the following link, scroll to Table 14, and enjoy.
https://www.publichealthscotland.sco...ion_report.pdf

Not only are the vaxxed getting Omicron at a higher rate than the unvaxxed, but the disparity is growing.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

OMG, you are exhausting. Do you just post so much bullshit you have such a hard time keeping track of it? Or is it intentional? This is like the 10th time you've attempted a confusion racket to stop from having to own up to your BS. The links I posted absolutely refute the statement you made above.

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Henceforth, I shall refer to you as "Gaslighter". It is your specialty.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Let's go to the replay booth on this one:
- I post claim that vaccines are exhibiting negative efficacy against Omicron (the vaxxed are getting cases at a higher rate than unvaxxed)
- You ask me what I'm referring to and post two links to rebuttals of studies you thought were the basis of my claim.
- I posted (7062) observations from 2 of the very few geographies that report case data by vax status.
- You claim I didn't respond to your rebuttals of studies that had nothing to do with my claim.
- I clarified what I was referring to (which was not the studies you thought), and I posted a link to the UK data which is the most compelling.
- You claim that I am confused.

Now what didn't happen? You didn't look at the UK data I linked. I get it, the data were not well synthesized.

No problem! The Scottish health department did the synthesis for us for their data. Open the following link, scroll to Table 14, and enjoy.
https://www.publichealthscotland.sco...ion_report.pdf

Not only are the vaxxed getting Omicron at a higher rate than the unvaxxed, but the disparity is growing.

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Negative efficacy because there is some data out there that has more omnicron
Cases among vaccinated vs unvaccinated, in one part of the world ok lol.

I have posted numerous times about the seasonality of COVID: there's a peak in mid-Summer most pronounced in the southern states; and a peak in early-winter most pronounced in the northern States and the midwest. This was postulated by Edgar Hope-Simpson for the flu (similar respiratory virus that spreads as airborne particles) almost 50 years ago.

The reason for this has not been clear, but a study just came out that provides a great explanation: Fluid dynamics of the airborne particles, in conjunction with weather patterns (temperature, humidity and wind patterns), can explain this:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0037640

Why is this important? Forewarned is forearmed. Also, if recognized, will prevent the bullshit models we had at the beginning of this pandemic (MOR's favorite).

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Originally Posted by Xville

Negative efficacy because there is some data out there that has more omnicron
Cases among vaccinated vs unvaccinated, in one part of the world ok lol.

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Yes. Also look at Israel. If you have examples to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing them.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I have posted numerous times about the seasonality of COVID: there's a peak in mid-Summer most pronounced in the southern states; and a peak in early-winter most pronounced in the northern States and the midwest. This was postulated by Edgar Hope-Simpson for the flu (similar respiratory virus that spreads as airborne particles) almost 50 years ago.

The reason for this has not been clear, but a study just came out that provides a great explanation: Fluid dynamics of the airborne particles, in conjunction with weather patterns (temperature, humidity and wind patterns), can explain this:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0037640

Why is this important? Forewarned is forearmed. Also, if recognized, will prevent the bullshit models we had at the beginning of this pandemic (MOR's favorite).

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You mean those models that were introduced before there were things like vaccines?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Yes. Also look at Israel. If you have examples to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing them.

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Yeah lou has already shared that five billion times. That doesn’t prove anything. May want to use the word effectiveness vs efficacy. Since especially in omnicron cases don’t matter especially to those who have been vaccinated.

Johns Hopkins published a very comprehensive metanalysis of lockdowns effectiveness. It showed there was no benefit to stopping COVID spread but had profound negative collateral damage. https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/fi...-Mortality.pdf
I don't think this is still in doubt (at least amongst posters here) but it's a good reminder that our response to this was FUCKED UP. If this was so wrong, what else was/is so wrong that we don't realize yet?

As a fun side note, I remember a certain Ohio State fan on Twitter that did an analysis of this with similar conclusions in Summer 2020. Some of you, let's just say, discredited this.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Yeah lou has already shared that five billion times. That doesn’t prove anything. It’s a good try though

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Do you have data to the contrary?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Do you have data to the contrary?

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Bs data in, bs data out. And way to cut out the rest of what I said. Good night.

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Originally Posted by Xville

You mean those models that were introduced before there were things like vaccines?

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Read over this again. I think you may have missed the point. Vaccines are completely outside the relevance.

I'm referring to the models in Spring 2020 that showed, over and over, that cases and deaths would be many times higher than they turned out to be. They were consistently wrong, but were not adjusted based on reality. I'm saying one of the reasons they were wrong was because of not accounting for seasonality.

Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Xville

Bs data in, bs data out. And way to cut out the rest of what I said. Good night.

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I'll take that as a "no". OK.

Look, don't get butt-hurt - this is not an indictment of the vaccine in general. I've said time and time again that they have proven to lessen severity, lower hospitalizations and save lives, generally speaking. It is an indictment against vaccine mandates of any shape or form, because they are based on the premise of a community benefit by lowering transmission. That argument has been destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I'll take that as a "no". OK.

Look, don't get butt-hurt - this is not an indictment of the vaccine in general. I've said time and time again that they have proven to lessen severity, lower hospitalizations and save lives, generally speaking. It is an indictment against vaccine mandates of any shape or form, because they are based on the premise of a community benefit by lowering transmission. That argument has been destroyed.

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Maybe use effectiveness rather than efficacy, if that is what you are concerned with then.

And again you miss my point that just because there is some random data out there really doesn’t prove anything or “destroy the argument” lou. Speaking in absolutes on something that the greatest minds in the world still have not figured out fully is odd.

Liberals proving once again they are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to masks. Do as I say, not as I do.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-maskless.html

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Georgia gubernatorial candidate and fierce mask proponent Stacey Abrams sparked outrage on Twitter after she shared a picture of herself maskless while surrounded by dozens of children forced to wear face coverings during a visit to an Atlanta elementary school last week - the latest Democrat to ignore her own demand for mask mandates.

Abrams, who has been branded a 'mask fascist' on the social media platform, retweeted the photo of her visit to Glenwood Elementary School on Friday, before quickly deleting the tweet.

The 48-year-old Democrat had recently called Georgia Republican Governor Brian Kemp 'incompetent' for moving to block local mask mandates.

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The controversy comes on the heels of a series of public outcries against Democratic leaders who have failed to abide by the same same draconian COVID-19 guidelines they have preached throughout the pandemic.

In early January, New York Congresswoman Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez revealed she had become infected with COVID-19 after she was photographed partying maskless at a Miami drag brunch. The state's governor, Kathy Hochul, and Sen. Kirstin Gillibrand have been photographed skirted the New York's mask mandate.

Last week, California Governor Gavin Newsom, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and San Francisco Mayor London Breed were spotted breaking their own indoor mask mandate during the NFL Championship Game in LA.

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Originally Posted by X Factor

Liberals proving once again they are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to masks. Do as I say, not as I do.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-maskless.html

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Politicians in general are hypocrites. Doesn’t matter if you are a liberal or a conservative.

Bill Maher is right again. He’s getting fed up with the far left and their unquestioning support of the “science” surrounding Covid.

https://twitter.com/erichhartmann/st...453507/video/1


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Originally Posted by Xville

Maybe use effectiveness rather than efficacy, if that is what you are concerned with then.

And again you miss my point that just because there is some random data out there really doesn’t prove anything or “destroy the argument” lou. Speaking in absolutes on something that the greatest minds in the world still have not figured out fully is odd.

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It’s not random data, it’s a trend all over the globe. The higher the vax, the higher the Omicron infection rate. Just very few geographies track/report vax status cases directly to demonstrate it. Mark it down - this trend will continue.

Efficacy: ability to produce desired outcome or result.

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Originally Posted by bjf123

Bill Maher is right again. He’s getting fed up with the far left and their unquestioning support of the “science” surrounding Covid.

https://twitter.com/erichhartmann/st...453507/video/1


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Maher has said things that would got someone censored 6 months ago. It’s all crumbling down.

Xavier's basketball program has Covid and is apparently unvaccinated.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Xavier's basketball program has Covid and is apparently unvaccinated.

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Steele and his defenders are probably hoping for that…let the excuses flow.

Yet Liberals want doctors and hospitals to refuse to treat individuals who choose not to get the vaccine...

https://freebeacon.com/biden-adminis...racial-equity/

Biden Admin To Fund Crack Pipe Distribution To Advance ‘Racial Equity’

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The Biden administration is set to fund the distribution of crack pipes to drug addicts as part of its plan to advance "racial equity."

The $30 million grant program, which closed applications Monday and will begin in May, will provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts. Included in the grant, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, are funds for "smoking kits/supplies." A spokesman for the agency told the Washington Free Beacon that these kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and "any illicit substance."

HHS said the kits aim to reduce the risk of infection when smoking substances with glass pipes, which can lead to infections through cuts and sores. Applicants for the grants are prioritized if they treat a majority of "underserved communities," including African Americans and "LGBTQ+ persons," as established under President Joe Biden's executive order on "advancing racial equity."

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I just saw a Fauci email came out a few weeks ago. He, Birx and Collins collaborated to shut down the Great Barrington Declaration with a propaganda attack. Instead of thoughtful scientific debate, let’s use propaganda to shut down an opposing point of view!

What are they trying to hide??

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

I just saw a Fauci email came out a few weeks ago. He, Birx and Collins collaborated to shut down the Great Barrington Declaration with a propaganda attack. Instead of thoughtful scientific debate, let’s use propaganda to shut down an opposing point of view!

What are they trying to hide??

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Well, that should free up about 60,000 beds for other things than.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...mber-year.html

BTW, can you link to where the CDC "admitted that hospitalizations were over-counted by almost double"? Thanks

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Originally Posted by xuphan

Ya, you would think someone so passionate about their stance would easily be able to post their source of information again instead of telling someone to read through all of these pages. Makes you wonder.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Game plan:

Post endless, bullshit links, then make erroneous claims, then when called out for evidence, refer to previous posts and links no one wants to sift back through.

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Originally Posted by xu82

….or even bothered to read in the first place. Give me some good info, I’m curious to learn. Dump a truck load of agenda driven shit on me, not so much.

Sometimes more is not better. Quality > quantity.


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Originally Posted by boozehound

This is the trap that they suck you into. They aren't going logically address your argument, you are going to get copy and paste talking points (and lots of them). Some of the statements they link to will be true, but will almost always be taken out of context. They will post 10 links to your 1, and demand that you refute each of them, while simultaneously not addressing your assertions. You either won't have the time, or won't choose to spend it that way and you will give up. That's how the confusion racket works.

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The willful ignorance on this board, and among liberals in general, is astounding.... Do any of you have any curiosity whatsoever? Do you believe everything you're told? Geesh!!!

From Politico the other day.... not exactly a right wing conspiracy tabloid, right?

Biden officials trying to recalculate U.S. Covid-19 hospitalizations

"A task force comprised of scientists and data specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are working with hospitals nationwide to improve Covid-19 reporting. The group is asking hospitals to report numbers of patients who go to the facility because they have Covid-19 and separate those from individuals who go in for other reasons and test positive after being admitted, the two officials said."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...ulate-00006341


From WaPo:

"A recent New York Times article cited several New York hospitals that reported that 50 to 65 percent of their hospitalized covid patients actually had incidental covid.

It’s clearly important to distinguish people in the hospital “with” covid from those in the hospital “for” covid. If, in fact, 50 to 65 percent of hospitalized covid patients are now there “with” covid — including very mild or even asymptomatic cases — then hospitalization figures will vastly overstate the virus’s toll and over-predict the number of deaths."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...cs-incidental/


Here's what I posted a few weeks ago - if you guys would actually take the time to read once in awhile you might learn something:

Fauci said this on MSNBC: “But the other important thing is that if you look at the children who are hospitalized, many of them are hospitalized with Covid as opposed to because of Covid,” Fauci continued, emphasis added. “And what we mean by that — if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for Covid. And they get counted as a Covid-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So, it’s over-counting the number of children who are, quote, ‘hospitalized with Covid,’ as opposed to because of Covid.”

That remark comes at the 3:15 mark in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aktzp4jSXY8


And it’s not just children:

“Jackson Health System hospitals currently have 439 patients who have tested positive for COVID-19. Of those, 220 patients - or 50% - are admitted to the hospital primarily for non-COVID reasons.”

https://twitter.com/JacksonHealth/st...04127615569924

Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario’s (Canada) chief medical officer recently explained that up to 50% of "COVID hospitalizations" are not a result of COVID:

https://thepulse.one/2022/01/05/onta...be-misleading/

I guess Covid argument isn’t over…lucky us

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

The willful ignorance on this board, and among liberals in general, is astounding.... Do any of you have any curiosity whatsoever? Do you believe everything you're told? Geesh!!!

From Politico the other day.... not exactly a right wing conspiracy tabloid, right?

Biden officials trying to recalculate U.S. Covid-19 hospitalizations

"A task force comprised of scientists and data specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are working with hospitals nationwide to improve Covid-19 reporting. The group is asking hospitals to report numbers of patients who go to the facility because they have Covid-19 and separate those from individuals who go in for other reasons and test positive after being admitted, the two officials said."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...ulate-00006341


From WaPo:

"A recent New York Times article cited several New York hospitals that reported that 50 to 65 percent of their hospitalized covid patients actually had incidental covid.

It’s clearly important to distinguish people in the hospital “with” covid from those in the hospital “for” covid. If, in fact, 50 to 65 percent of hospitalized covid patients are now there “with” covid — including very mild or even asymptomatic cases — then hospitalization figures will vastly overstate the virus’s toll and over-predict the number of deaths."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...cs-incidental/


Here's what I posted a few weeks ago - if you guys would actually take the time to read once in awhile you might learn something:

Fauci said this on MSNBC: “But the other important thing is that if you look at the children who are hospitalized, many of them are hospitalized with Covid as opposed to because of Covid,” Fauci continued, emphasis added. “And what we mean by that — if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for Covid. And they get counted as a Covid-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So, it’s over-counting the number of children who are, quote, ‘hospitalized with Covid,’ as opposed to because of Covid.”

That remark comes at the 3:15 mark in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aktzp4jSXY8


And it’s not just children:

“Jackson Health System hospitals currently have 439 patients who have tested positive for COVID-19. Of those, 220 patients - or 50% - are admitted to the hospital primarily for non-COVID reasons.”

https://twitter.com/JacksonHealth/st...04127615569924

Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario’s (Canada) chief medical officer recently explained that up to 50% of "COVID hospitalizations" are not a result of COVID:

https://thepulse.one/2022/01/05/onta...be-misleading/

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Do I believe everything I read? No, I am living through this with my family. With family who works in a hospital, the first hand accounts are all I need. Hospitals being overrun with Covid patients, hospitals turning away people because they do not have room for them. People dying from this disease both healthy and with preexisting conditions. People becoming irate and belligerent about hospital treatment and refusing treatment. I am curious where you get all of your information from? It seems like you believe everything that you read or want to believe. Maybe ask to volunteer at a hospital near you and ask people in the ERs what they think. Ask them their experiences. Get a first hand account of whats actually going on instead of what you call, “believing everything you read”.

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Originally Posted by xuphan

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How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate - WSJ
Emails reveal how Fauci, head of NIH colluded to try to smear experts (msn.com)
Fauci, Emails, and Some Alleged Science | AIER
Emails reveal how Fauci, head of NIH colluded to try to smear experts who called to end lockdowns | Daily Mail Online

When scientists refuse to consider alternate theories, we no longer have science.

When government suppresses dissenting opinions, we no longer have free speech.

74% of all Covid deaths have occurred in people aged 65 or older.

.08% have occurred in young people aged 0-17 years.

I know the lockdowns did very little to lessen deaths when the vast majority of deaths occurred in older people.

I know shutting schools down and making kids mask up has done nothing, but hurt their education and development skills.

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Originally Posted by X Factor

74% of all Covid deaths have occurred in people aged 65 or older.

.08% have occurred in young people aged 0-17 years.

I know the lockdowns did very little to lessen deaths when the vast majority of deaths occurred in older people.

I know shutting schools down and making kids mask up has done nothing, but hurt their education and development skills.

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I 100% agree with you on shutting schools down has hurt kids academically and socially. However, making kids and staff wear masks has helped keep the schools open and avoided school shutdowns due to Covid when Covid has been wide spread in the community. The mask wearing should only be for middle and high school kids. It’s a mess for elementary kids.

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Originally Posted by xuphan

Do I believe everything I read? No, I am living through this with my family. With family who works in a hospital, the first hand accounts are all I need. Hospitals being overrun with Covid patients, hospitals turning away people because they do not have room for them. People dying from this disease both healthy and with preexisting conditions. People becoming irate and belligerent about hospital treatment and refusing treatment. I am curious where you get all of your information from? It seems like you believe everything that you read or want to believe. Maybe ask to volunteer at a hospital near you and ask people in the ERs what they think. Ask them their experiences. Get a first hand account of whats actually going on instead of what you call, “believing everything you read”.

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When you hear about hospital capacity issues, ask:
1) What percent of capacity does the hospital usually run at? Hospitals are a business and need to make money, and they do that with patients.
2) Similar to the above, how often do hospitals have capacity issues? It's not unique to COVID.
3) How much was hospital capacity reduced by firing the unvaccinated health care workers?
4) What does the geography's hospital census say? There is more than one hospital.
5) Does the person/news source reporting the "overcrowding" have an agenda?

The story may well be legit, but I've found more often than not, it's misleading at best.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

When you hear about hospital capacity issues, ask:
1) What percent of capacity does the hospital usually run at? Hospitals are a business and need to make money, and they do that with patients.
2) Similar to the above, how often do hospitals have capacity issues? It's not unique to COVID.
3) How much was hospital capacity reduced by firing the unvaccinated health care workers?
4) What does the geography's hospital census say? There is more than one hospital.
5) Does the person/news source reporting the "overcrowding" have an agenda?

The story may well be legit, but I've found more often than not, it's misleading at best.

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“The story”? A first hand account on the front lines of this pandemic is a “story”? What “agenda” does an ER Nurse have to make this stuff up? I am sitting here scratching my head at this one. I guess the Sandy Hook school shooting was fake as well right? It was staged by the liberals as a way to push gun control right? Alex Jones said it never happened so it must not have happened right? Here is a lesson for you, If you are afraid of getting a rotten apple, don’t pick it off of the ground, go pick it off the tree. If you want to know the truth about something, go see it yourself or talk to people who have/are living it. Not from CNN, Fox News, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I guess Covid argument isn’t over…lucky us

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Based on polling, I suspect it will be over soon. It was, and always has been, more about political science than actual science. They will try to declare victory. Don't let them. It will ring far more hallow than W.'s declaration of victory on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

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Originally Posted by xuphan

I 100% agree with you on shutting schools down has hurt kids academically and socially. However, making kids and staff wear masks has helped keep the schools open and avoided school shutdowns due to Covid when Covid has been wide spread in the community. The mask wearing should only be for middle and high school kids. It’s a mess for elementary kids.

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My kids are in elementary school (Grades K and 2) and they absolutely don't give a shit about having to wear a mask. They actually seem to kind of like it for some reason. They put their masks on when they get in the car to go to school, my wife reminds them that they don't have to put the mask on until they get into the school, but they elect to keep it on. None of our friends' kids really care either.

I'm not sure how much it's actually doing to stop the spread of COVID, but they do seem to be getting fewer colds this year (not 'none' but 'fewer').

Yes, an ER nurse may well make up a story. Some to stoke the fear porn, some to seek glorification, and some to downplay covid. We've seen them all over the course of this pandemic. I've seen that personally by talking to nurses and doctors. You don't have a monopoly on that.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

My kids are in elementary school (Grades K and 2) and they absolutely don't give a shit about having to wear a mask. They actually seem to kind of like it for some reason. They put their masks on when they get in the car to go to school, my wife reminds them that they don't have to put the mask on until they get into the school, but they elect to keep it on. None of our friends' kids really care either.

I'm not sure how much it's actually doing to stop the spread of COVID, but they do seem to be getting fewer colds this year (not 'none' but 'fewer').

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Sounds like a classic case of liberal parents brainwashing their kids. Have you convinced them to question their gender yet?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Yes, an ER nurse may well make up a story. Some to stoke the fear porn, some to seek glorification, and some to downplay covid. We've seen them all over the course of this pandemic. I've seen that personally by talking to nurses and doctors. You don't have a monopoly on that.

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Tinfoil hat is ready lol

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Originally Posted by boozehound

My kids are in elementary school (Grades K and 2) and they absolutely don't give a shit about having to wear a mask. They actually seem to kind of like it for some reason. They put their masks on when they get in the car to go to school, my wife reminds them that they don't have to put the mask on until they get into the school, but they elect to keep it on. None of our friends' kids really care either.

I'm not sure how much it's actually doing to stop the spread of COVID, but they do seem to be getting fewer colds this year (not 'none' but 'fewer').

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Your kids are not in danger of Covid. I have a 5 year old and 3 year old. Our three year old was born at 28 weeks and was in the NICU for 2-1/2 months. She caught Covid this past summer, but you wouldn't have been able to tell. Didn't slow her down one bit.

Unless kids have a weakened immune system in the first place due to some other health issue, children are basically at no risk of serious impact of Covid.

Again, only 795 out of almost 900,000 Covid deaths are in the 0-17 age group, so why are kids being forced to mask up? Why is Fauci and our government pushing the vaccine for babies and young kids?

Even Sweden's government and scientists recommended AGAINST kids 5-11 getting the vaccine as the risks outweigh the benefits.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

My kids are in elementary school (Grades K and 2) and they absolutely don't give a shit about having to wear a mask. They actually seem to kind of like it for some reason. They put their masks on when they get in the car to go to school, my wife reminds them that they don't have to put the mask on until they get into the school, but they elect to keep it on. None of our friends' kids really care either.

I'm not sure how much it's actually doing to stop the spread of COVID, but they do seem to be getting fewer colds this year (not 'none' but 'fewer').

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It’s called conditioning Booze.

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Originally Posted by X Factor

Again, only 795 out of almost 900,000 Covid deaths are in the 0-17 age group, so why are kids being forced to mask up?

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Maybe to keep them from spreading it to older people?
I don't really know, but I'm assuming they carry the virus without apparently being affected too much...but could potentially transmit it to others.