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This is correct. There were already laws in place to keep this assclown from getting a gun. Somebody messed up and sold him one anyway. That store should be padlocked and never reopened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
There are already laws in place. Enforce them.
Turns out it was the Air Force who didn't properly file his discharge with the FBI. The background checks came back clean. According to NPRQuote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
I also heard the shooter's ex-wife's mother attended that particular church, but I can't find the article stating that at the moment. If so, there's likely a personal element tied to this rampage.
A Texas background check stopped this shooter from getting a license but the Air Force screwed up federal check.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandAid
And the FBI f*cked up Dylan Roof's background check.
It's almost as if the federal government is incompetent and should start enforcing current laws first before everyone claims this is the NRA's fault.
What's false? Trump said the issue was one of mental health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
If the reason he rescinded the rule was because it wasn't a mental health issue, why is it all of a sudden a mental health issue?
You can't have it both ways. Well...unless you're Trump I guess.
1) Congress repealed the ruleQuote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
2) Denying rights, in this case the run to own a firearm, without a hearing is violation of due process and therefore unconstitutional. Congress, Trump, and the ACLU all agreed on this. And they agreed that the rule used a broad brush to paint many people as having mental illnesses and declaring them unfit to own a gun when they didn't have a mental illness that would negatively affect them or the public if they owned a gun.
3) This rule that you love so much wouldn't have applied in this situation to my knowledge.
4) There were state and federal prohibitions that should have precluded this man from owning a gun. Texas did it's job. The Air Force didn't. Enforce the current laws. Don't just call for new laws that already actually exist. And don't call for new laws that violate people's rights.
You can have it both ways. Help people with mental health but don't enact laws that violate people's rights without due process. Everyone loves to shout about due process when it comes to the other rights in the Constitution except for the 2nd Amendment.
I disagree. You can't have it both ways.
The ACLU was on board because statistics don't support people with mental health issues committing more violent crimes than others.
Fine. So don't have that law.
But then don't turn around and blame this latest tragedy on mental health.
And don't cut funding for mental health if you really believe it's a problem.
The most basic thing we should be able to agree upon and control is that assault rifles are a part of our problem.
You can hunt, sport shoot and defend yourself without those types of weapons.
Why don't we start there, and at least try and lower the casualty counts in these senseless killings of the innocent.
Not sure if it's your intention, but this reads as you saying Dems and the liberal media need to take care of this since their idea of gun control obviously doesn't work. If it is what you mean, please name one tangible solution proposed by any Republican politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Here's a piece in today's NYT on this issue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...T.nav=top-news. Fire away, everybody.
Why don't we start with the federal government actually enforcing it's own laws before we curb the rights of others?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
I could not agree with you more on the matter of assault rifles. It is simply ridiculous to allow them in society the way we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
The second amendment should stand today for the very reasons it was put in place originally. The problem now is that nobody back then who at the time used "pellet guns" could ever envision gun technology as it has evolved to today.