Covid-19

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Someone who recently posted VAERS deaths and talked about them #1 as they were true and accurate deaths from the vaccine and #2 tried to claim they were extremely underreported has cannot possibly take a stance about hospitalizations and deaths from COVID as being overreported.

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Dude - believe whatever you want - I could care less. The two assertions I've recently made are not mutually exclusive, and could very well both be true. Just because you don't want to believe they aren't true doesn't mean they can't be. At least I provide studies and data to back up my assertions. You and XU82, on the other hand, continue to believe people who have consistently lied to you:

1) That Covid does not spread during BLM riots
2) That illegals do not spread Covid
3) There are literally hundreds of examples of pro-lockdown, pro-mask politicians and media people who have been busted not following their own rules, regulations and postulations.
4) Covid is demonstrably not a risk for young and healthy people, though the media and politicians would have you believe that they are just as much at risk as an 85YO with heart disease. Are young and healthy people dying of Covid? Of course, but at rates no more than the seasonal flu.

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Originally Posted by Xville

That sucks, and hopefully you don’t get it! I feel ya on Christmas…whole house contracted it last year during Christmas and it was pretty awful. Then my 5 year old daughter broke her clavicle the day after Christmas sliding down the stairs head first. Had to take her to the er while having Covid and feeling terrible. Good times lol.

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Oh man, that sucks! Hope she healed well!

D-West...be well and stay safe.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Dude - believe whatever you want - I could care less. The two assertions I've recently made are not mutually exclusive, and could very well both be true. Just because you don't want to believe they aren't true doesn't mean they can't be. At least I provide studies and data to back up my assertions. You and XU82, on the other hand, continue to believe people who have consistently lied to you:

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Yes it does mean that. It literally says it on the website.

Also, nothing like railing on the CDC in one situation and then using CDC information as gospel in another.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...s-scare-public

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

A very close family member who I have frequent contact with (not household family member) has tested positive. This is the first time someone this close to me who I have this much contact with in my life has tested positive and the first known exposure I have had. Really sucks and is ruining many Christmas activities and plans. Ugh.

I will be getting the monoclonal antibody infusions, most likely Monday. Bad timing with it being closed Friday for Christmas and then the weekend. Hoping I don't get it, which could be bad for me.

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I was going to post an update on monoclonals and treatment updates but didn’t want to interfere with the very enjoyable posts on how few deaths are actually related to covid. Blows my mind that is an actual thought in a human brain which supports my Russian bot theory. Anyways….

In NE Ohio we are almost exclusively seeing Omicron variant as of this week (which is insane) and nationwide probably pretty close to following suit. If your exposure is omicron (likely) I would hope you are getting sotrovimab as it is the only mab with activity against the omicron variant. If it’s Regeneron or Lilly I don’t want to say it’s useless as there is some lingering delta but here is the updated data on what we are using and it’s in vitro activity:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...12.15.472828v1

Sounds like you are in post exposure prophylaxis stages due to your immunocompromised state and sotrovimab is not indicated for this I don’t think, so it’s something to consider between now and Monday. If you haven’t tested positive it’s worth doing daily testing to generate that indication for treatment vs PEP. Again I may be making assumptions that aren’t true but worth mentioning.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Oh man, that sucks! Hope she healed well!

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She actually just broke it again over thanksgiving playing with her older cousins lol. She’s fine though..one thing is for sure, the girl is tough

We can back to Ohio to visit family for Christmas. We have been here for 24 hours and just heard that my Sister’s (unvaccinated) kid who was over at my parents house playing with my kids for 5 hours yesterday has a fever and headache. We are awaiting COVID test results to find out if we can attend Christmas Eve with my wife’s family.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Yes it does mean that. It literally says it on the website.

Also, nothing like railing on the CDC in one situation and then using CDC information as gospel in another.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...s-scare-public

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The “guy” is either a troll or just really fucking stupid. Regardless, he’s a complete waste of time.

He can’t even keep up with the lies he tells while speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I was going to post an update on monoclonals and treatment updates but didn’t want to interfere with the very enjoyable posts on how few deaths are actually related to covid. Blows my mind that is an actual thought in a human brain which supports my Russian bot theory. Anyways….

In NE Ohio we are almost exclusively seeing Omicron variant as of this week (which is insane) and nationwide probably pretty close to following suit. If your exposure is omicron (likely) I would hope you are getting sotrovimab as it is the only mab with activity against the omicron variant. If it’s Regeneron or Lilly I don’t want to say it’s useless as there is some lingering delta but here is the updated data on what we are using and it’s in vitro activity:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...12.15.472828v1

Sounds like you are in post exposure prophylaxis stages due to your immunocompromised state and sotrovimab is not indicated for this I don’t think, so it’s something to consider between now and Monday. If you haven’t tested positive it’s worth doing daily testing to generate that indication for treatment vs PEP. Again I may be making assumptions that aren’t true but worth mentioning.

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Wow, great information, thank you. I will for sure try and test daily then (I think I have enough rapids to do so) to see if I end up positive so I could go for sotrovimab.

You are correct that I am doing it for prophylaxis post exposure.

How is EvuSheld against omicron? I have been wanting to get that but neither UC (where my PCP is) nor Children's (where my immunologist is) apparently have it yet. Also will I still be able to get that after getting monoclonal infusion?

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Originally Posted by Xville

She actually just broke it again over thanksgiving playing with her older cousins lol. She’s fine though..one thing is for sure, the girl is tough

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Sorry I misunderstood. Glad shes doing well!

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Not doing so well on the Holidays this year! lol

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Let’s hope things are better for New Year’s Day!

My wife did all the cooking for Thanksgiving and couldn’t taste any of it. She just made it all again last night, except for the pies, so she could enjoy the smells and flavors. Means I got to enjoy it twice.


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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Dude - believe whatever you want - I could care less. The two assertions I've recently made are not mutually exclusive, and could very well both be true. Just because you don't want to believe they aren't true doesn't mean they can't be. At least I provide studies and data to back up my assertions. You and XU82, on the other hand, continue to believe people who have consistently lied to you:

1) That Covid does not spread during BLM riots
2) That illegals do not spread Covid
3) There are literally hundreds of examples of pro-lockdown, pro-mask politicians and media people who have been busted not following their own rules, regulations and postulations.
4) Covid is demonstrably not a risk for young and healthy people, though the media and politicians would have you believe that they are just as much at risk as an 85YO with heart disease. Are young and healthy people dying of Covid? Of course, but at rates no more than the seasonal flu.

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Here I have to step in and correct you, once again. I don’t believe anyone. Especially you. Your ability to be wrong so consistently is quite remarkable.

You might be shocked by my lack of fear of the virus, but you also might be shocked by my annoyance of your ignorant, one sided position.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Wow, great information, thank you. I will for sure try and test daily then (I think I have enough rapids to do so) to see if I end up positive so I could go for sotrovimab.

You are correct that I am doing it for prophylaxis post exposure.

How is EvuSheld against omicron? I have been wanting to get that but neither UC (where my PCP is) nor Children's (where my immunologist is) apparently have it yet. Also will I still be able to get that after getting monoclonal infusion?

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It does have neutralizing activity. I think the link I sent may show that… keeping track of the mAb names is a chore but i think if you dig into the data it does have activity against omicron.

Exit: to answer your second question it depends what you get. I think you would still be a candidate for it either way but if you get sotrovimab it would be less urgent.

Edit again here’s some data from AstraZeneca

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Yes it does mean that. It literally says it on the website.

Also, nothing like railing on the CDC in one situation and then using CDC information as gospel in another.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...s-scare-public

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Can you enlighten me a little and explain what you think I'm saying. I've been totally consistent, and maybe you're missing a point somewhere a long the way.

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Originally Posted by Xville

100% agree with you on your last statement…that’s where politics is right now, maybe it’s always been that way but it has been front and center for the better part of 20 years now. I have lots of family members who are or have been at pretty high positions at the state level, and it’s about as bad there.

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This is so telling...., and fits quite perfectly with your profile.....

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Originally Posted by Xville

Yep! Trust me it takes a lot of self control to not get in verbal fights with people on a weekly basis especially after a few drinks.

You should be proud though…actually headed to the st x bookstore right now to get my 5 year old some st x stuff for Christmas. Getting indoctrinated early.

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So, in other words, you’re not just a dick online then?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

This is so telling...., and fits quite perfectly with your profile.....

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Yeah it is telling—that I’m actually educated on how politics actually operate, not the conspiracy nonsense that you continue to believe and search for on the internet.

Good ole lyin’ lou

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Originally Posted by Xville

Yeah it is telling—that I’m actually educated on how politics actually operate, not the conspiracy nonsense that you continue to believe and search for on the internet.

Good ole lyin’ lou

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Okay, "Mr. low self esteem"....

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

So, in other words, you’re not just a dick online then?

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You need a reflection session. How many times have you been banned lyin lou? Maybe you should say something even more stupid than usual so the board can be rid of your filth.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Okay, "Mr. low self esteem"....

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Says the guy who spends time digging up old quotes from a person on a message board. You’re funny lyin lou

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Originally Posted by Xville

Says the guy who spends time digging up old quotes from a person on a message board. You’re funny lyin lou

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Do you feel better now, "Mr. low self esteem"?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Dude - believe whatever you want - I could care less. The two assertions I've recently made are not mutually exclusive, and could very well both be true. Just because you don't want to believe they aren't true doesn't mean they can't be. At least I provide studies and data to back up my assertions. You and XU82, on the other hand, continue to believe people who have consistently lied to you:

1) That Covid does not spread during BLM riots
2) That illegals do not spread Covid
3) There are literally hundreds of examples of pro-lockdown, pro-mask politicians and media people who have been busted not following their own rules, regulations and postulations.
4) Covid is demonstrably not a risk for young and healthy people, though the media and politicians would have you believe that they are just as much at risk as an 85YO with heart disease. Are young and healthy people dying of Covid? Of course, but at rates no more than the seasonal flu.

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Here is what you don’t seem to grasp because you are either too stupid or think everyone is as extreme as you are. When someone doesn’t believe your nonsense, it doesn’t mean they believe the extreme opposite of you either. You continually like to put people in separate buckets or black and white because you lack the emotional intelligence to understand otherwise. Most people understand that life doesn’t work in black and white past the age of 8 or 9. However you view the world much like my five year olds. I’ll pray for you.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Here is what you don’t seem to grasp because you are either too stupid or think everyone is as extreme as you are. When someone doesn’t believe your nonsense, it doesn’t mean they believe the extreme opposite of you either. You continually like to put people in separate buckets or black and white because you lack the emotional intelligence to understand otherwise. Most people understand that life doesn’t work in black and white past the age of 8 or 9. However you view the world much like my five year olds. I’ll pray for you.

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I’m not sure HE’S the one doing that…

Well, my reply to 94GRAD caused a lot of indigestion yesterday. Since it may have gotten lost in all the nonsense that ensued, I thought I would repost it since no one was able to deny or refute any of my assertions:

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

Do you think people with all these comorbidities would be dying at the same rate if they didn't catch Covid?

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Roughly 39% of the people who have died in the US were in nursing homes (thru 1/21-see link below / Pandemia reports this number to be 35%). Statistically, they only had months to live anyway - in fact, a 2010 study found that 53% of nursing home residents die within 6 months of being admitted.

* In testimony to the British Parliament in 2020, Neil Ferguson estimated that 50-66% of all Covid deaths might occur in people who would've died within 9 months anyway because of their age and their comorbidities.

* In Sept 2020, the largest funeral home operator in the US (Service Corp International), reported that roughly 1/3 of all funerals of people who died of Covid would've died in 2020 anyway, and another 1/3 or more would've died in 2021 anyway.

* According to Pandemia, more than 100,000 Covid victims had dementia, Alzheimer's or cancer when they died (thru the spring of 2021). The author points out the dilemma of distinguishing between dying WITH Covid versus dying OF Covid in these instances. The CDC told hospitals to err on the side of counting those deaths as dying OF Covid.

https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uplo...bruary-1-2.pdf


Per the CDC, 26.2% of all deaths were >85 years old. Another 25.7% were between 75 and 84.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

You should read the "How Deadly" chapter in Pandemia to find out how the CDC changed the coding procedures that allowed Covid to be listed as the primary reason for deaths on death certificates, such as the 100,000+ figures stated above.

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The truth shall set you free....

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Roughly 39% of the people who have died in the US were in nursing homes (thru 1/21-see link below / Pandemia reports this number to be 35%). Statistically, they only had months to live anyway - in fact, a 2010 study found that 53% of nursing home residents die within 6 months of being admitted.

* In testimony to the British Parliament in 2020, Neil Ferguson estimated that 50-66% of all Covid deaths might occur in people who would've died within 9 months anyway because of their age and their comorbidities.

* In Sept 2020, the largest funeral home operator in the US (Service Corp International), reported that roughly 1/3 of all funerals of people who died of Covid would've died in 2020 anyway, and another 1/3 or more would've died in 2021 anyway.

* According to Pandemia, more than 100,000 Covid victims had dementia, Alzheimer's or cancer when they died (thru the spring of 2021). The author points out the dilemma of distinguishing between dying WITH Covid versus dying OF Covid in these instances. The CDC told hospitals to err on the side of counting those deaths as dying OF Covid

https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uplo...bruary-1-2.pdf


Per the CDC, 26.2% of all deaths were >85 years old. Another 25.7% were between 75 and 84.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

You should read the "How Deadly" chapter in Pandemia to find out how the CDC changed the coding procedures that allowed Covid to be listed as the primary reason for deaths on death certificates, such as the 100,000+ figures stated above.

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So 61% of the deaths were not expected?
Might have died? Does that mean 50-66% might not have died?
So 48.1 of deaths were under 74, what are the odds they would still be alive if they didn't catch Covid?

I just don't understand how you think all these deaths aren't in one way shape or form because of a deadly virus.

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

So 61% of the deaths were not expected?
Might have died? Does that mean 50-66% might not have died?
So 48.1 of deaths were under 74, what are the odds they would still be alive if they didn't catch Covid?

I just don't understand how you think all these deaths aren't in one way shape or form because of a deadly virus.

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I think you're missing my point. Yes, the virus is deadly for people who are old and/or those with comorbidities. It is NOT deadly for the young and healthy. The over-reaction and the hysteria that everyone is in danger is what I'm speaking out against. It's a freaking joke that we are allowing ourselves to be controlled by fearmongering politicians and members of the media who have clearly been lying about every aspect of this pandemic (see post #6841 for just a handful of examples).

The vast majority of people who have died are already near death for one reason or another, have one or more comorbidities, or are obese. Nearly every child who died WITH Covid had comorbidities. Do your own research - don't rely on me, or what the media reports and what they would have you believe. Look at the data published on the CDC/NIH website and through the various published studies. Compare the death rates for the various age categories for Covid versus the last several flu seasons (prior to 2020).

For example, I just found this on the NIH website:

"92.8% of the COVID-19 deaths were associated with a pre-existing comorbidity."

"The risk of mortality associated with at least one comorbidity combined was 1113 times higher than that with no comorbidity."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/

Check out Table 3: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm


And again, I would encourage you to read Pandemia to see how the numbers have been manipulated (coding at the hospital level) to ramp up the fear factor.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I was going to post an update on monoclonals and treatment updates but didn’t want to interfere with the very enjoyable posts on how few deaths are actually related to covid. Blows my mind that is an actual thought in a human brain which supports my Russian bot theory. Anyways….

In NE Ohio we are almost exclusively seeing Omicron variant as of this week (which is insane) and nationwide probably pretty close to following suit. If your exposure is omicron (likely) I would hope you are getting sotrovimab as it is the only mab with activity against the omicron variant. If it’s Regeneron or Lilly I don’t want to say it’s useless as there is some lingering delta but here is the updated data on what we are using and it’s in vitro activity:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...12.15.472828v1

Sounds like you are in post exposure prophylaxis stages due to your immunocompromised state and sotrovimab is not indicated for this I don’t think, so it’s something to consider between now and Monday. If you haven’t tested positive it’s worth doing daily testing to generate that indication for treatment vs PEP. Again I may be making assumptions that aren’t true but worth mentioning.

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I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

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My wife was scheduled for a booster shot when she got Covid and her doctor sent her for the infusion. She asked about still getting the booster and was told absolutely not. The infusion was essentially a super booster. She was told to wait at least 90 days before thinking about getting a booster.


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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

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The half life is about 50 days from what I recall, which is longer than Regeneron. If you are asking because of timing with Evusheld, I would think anywhere from 4-16 weeks would be appropriate. If you were to get it sooner though I don’t think it would be harmful. I’m curious to see what your specialist say though.

This thread has some serious range. Simultaneous conversations of medical professionals dispensing advice to other forum members, and complete fools ranting and raving misinformation about COVID deaths.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

This thread has some serious range. Simultaneous conversations of medical professionals dispensing advice to other forum members, and complete fools ranting and raving misinformation about COVID deaths.

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So, we get some good info and some good chuckles. It’s a win/win!

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Yes it does mean that. It literally says it on the website.

Also, nothing like railing on the CDC in one situation and then using CDC information as gospel in another.

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So to clarify, are you are saying one can’t take the CDC data as generally valid, but at the same time say the CDC’s recommendations are politically motivated and invalid?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

So to clarify, are you are saying one can’t take the CDC data as generally valid, but at the same time say the CDC’s recommendations are politically motivated and invalid?

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No

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

No

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Then what are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Then what are you saying?

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That it is important to read what they (or anyone who understands it and how to use it) state about VAERS data.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

That it is important to read what they (or anyone who understands it and how to use it) state about VAERS data.

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They stare a lot about VAERS. What in particular?

Data-deniers like D-West, Boozehound and XU82 only believe what they’re told to believe. Not understanding the "why" behind their beliefs has resulted in them unable to defend their positions. Looking through the pages of this thread, where are the data or studies they've posted to defend their positions or contradict the skeptics? Rather, they believe mockery is a winning debate technique.

Incredibly, the data-deniers have refused to acknowledge that the skeptics have been right on nearly every point or prediction.

I’ll quote Twain once again, as it’s truly apropos for this era: “The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who can’t read”

These protocols and cancelations do NOTHING to decrease spread, that's pretty damn obvious. What's the point?

If you're sick enough to not play, don't play. Otherwise, play. Just like any other illness you might get.

This is why we call him Dr. Mengele Fauci! The name is 100% apropos - even Rand Paul gets it - as do millions of others around the world:

"I would venture to say that thousands of people die in our country every month now from COVID because [Fauci’s] deemphasized the idea that there are therapeutics,"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ran...i-vaccine-bias

Fauci needs to stand trial in a world tribunal, and must pay for his crimes against humanity.

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