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Originally Posted by paulxu

Yes, I remain concerned about the country and the impact the former president has on our politics.

Significant Bush accomplishments: Unfunded war, tax cut mostly to help wealthy
Significant Obama accomplishments: Health Care for millions, managing us out of great recession
Significant Trump accomplishments: Impeached twice, childishly didn't attend inauguration, incited Capitol riot/insurrection, tax cut mostly to help wealthy, seriously considered using military to block peaceful transfer of power
Significant Biden accomplishments: Actual infrastructure bill to help ALL Americans, managing us out of pandemic, restoring civility to our political discourse (not screaming like a little child on twitter every hour)

As for TDS....this apparently is TDS: Trump lead for the Republican nomination is 53% to 31% for DeSantis.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...rimary-r/2024/

That is true derangement.

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Significant Obama accomplishments: failing to pass the health care reform he ran on despite majorities in the House and Senate, only to get the Obama care passes that has proven to do nothing to solve the health care cost problem.
Significant Trump accomplishments: found not guilty of politically-motivated impeachments twice while leading the country to 4 years of peace and incredible prosperity.

The derangement is all yours. YouÂ’d realize that if you werenÂ’t deranged.

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Significant Obama accomplishments: failing to pass the health care reform he ran on despite majorities in the House and Senate, only to get the Obama care passes that has proven to do nothing to solve the health care cost problem.
Significant Trump accomplishments: found not guilty of politically-motivated impeachments twice while leading the country to 4 years of peace and incredible prosperity.

The derangement is all yours. YouÂ’d realize that if you werenÂ’t deranged.

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The realities of our governmental process explain what you note.
Obama got what he could with a filibuster always looming to stop any progress at all. Millions now have health care that never did.

A majority of the Senate voted to convict Trump on his impeachment charges, including Republicans, but not the 2/3rds required.

What a great comparison of epitaphs:
1 - I helped get health care for millions of Americans who never had it before
2 - A majority of senators voted to convict me on the charges of impeachment....but I escaped because they needed 2/3rds.

Which one would you want?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

The realities of our governmental process explain what you note.
Obama got what he could with a filibuster always looming to stop any progress at all. Millions now have health care that never did.

A majority of the Senate voted to convict Trump on his impeachment charges, including Republicans, but not the 2/3rds required.

What a great comparison of epitaphs:
1 - I helped get health care for millions of Americans who never had it before
2 - A majority of senators voted to convict me on the charges of impeachment....but I escaped because they needed 2/3rds.

Which one would you want?

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I work in the health care field. Frankly, you’re an idiot if you think Obamacare is an accomplishment, and blaming the other side for what it is, is equally just as stupid.

All it did was take a problem, and make it worse. Just like government always seems to do.

That's interesting. You work in health care, yet don't think it's important that millions more Americans are now insured.
I must be an idiot...I think that's a BIG accomplishment.
I blame the other side for the limitations they imposed on the final ACA, which they did.

Here's some facts about the ACA impact:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/...-care-act.html

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Originally Posted by paulxu

That's interesting. You work in health care, yet don't think it's important that millions more Americans are now insured.
I must be an idiot...I think that's a BIG accomplishment.
I blame the other side for the limitations they imposed on the final ACA, which they did.

Here's some facts about the ACA impact:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/...-care-act.html

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I’m very well aware of what Obamacare did, thanks. I don’t need a government website to tell me. All it did was make healthcare more expensive, more unregulated, and even less time with your primary care physician and we are all paying for it in numerous ways. Sorry but you have very little knowledge of how much the average hard working citizen is getting bent over because of what your precious bill did And thinking that millions more being insured on its face is a good thing shows that ignorance.

Our healthcare system is seriously fucked up, and Obama made it worse. And no, government getting more control of it is not the answer either

Good grief. If you don't think millions more getting health care is a good thing, I don't have an answer for that.
You would prefer these people DIDN'T get health care? Are you sure you're in the field?

The ACA didn't give the govnt control of the newly insured. They went to private carriers.

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Originally Posted by X-band '01

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

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So, when a transgender crazy does the shooting of Children in a school,we blame the gun and the Tennessee legislature? Blame the object rather than the perpetrator- like the car was blamed in the Waukesha parade murders. But when a right wing crazy does it, it is due to him & his ideology?? Can’t have it both ways. Go fuck that sideways.
By the way. The Nashville shooter was pretty effective with rifles and handguns. Not an AR-15 or “assault weapon” to be found.
Hey, I’m not a gun honk, but that is 100% disingenuous.

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If your point on that rant was that the Tennessee legislature kicked out 2 collegues over a protest over guns, here’s a FACT CHECK: The legislators were kicked out for taking over the well of the legislature, using a bull horn, and refusing to leave when ordered by the sergeant at arms. The one not kicked out apologized for her actions. The two kicked out did not apologize. They were out of order.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Good grief. If you don't think millions more getting health care is a good thing, I don't have an answer for that.
You would prefer these people DIDN'T get health care? Are you sure you're in the field?

The ACA didn't give the govnt control of the newly insured. They went to private carriers.

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Do you have any clue where or how the majority of those few million people got health insurance? Any clue what that has meant for the majority of working America?

Do you have any clue what the price of healthcare has done since aca was enacted? Any idea why?

I’m very well aware of your last sentence, I was speaking to what your political ideology believes would be best. Although, the majority of those newly insured were heavily subsidized by our government, that’s a clue to the answer of my first question.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

So, when a transgender crazy does the shooting of Children in a school,we blame the gun and the Tennessee legislature? Blame the object rather than the perpetrator- like the car was blamed in the Waukesha parade murders. But when a right wing crazy does it, it is due to him & his ideology?? Can’t have it both ways. Go fuck that sideways.
By the way. The Nashville shooter was pretty effective with rifles and handguns. Not an AR-15 or “assault weapon” to be found.
Hey, I’m not a gun honk, but that is 100% disingenuous.

And Edit:
If your point on that rant was that the Tennessee legislature kicked out 2 collegues over a protest over guns, here’s a FACT CHECK: The legislators were kicked out for taking over the well of the legislature, using a bull horn, and refusing to leave when ordered by the sergeant at arms. The one not kicked out apologized for her actions. The two kicked out did not apologize. They were out of order.

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Here's the thing. There have been eight people kicked out of the Tennessee legislature. 6 were ex-Confederates who did not want to recognize the citizenship of former slaves. One had accepted bribes. Another had been kicked out for sexually-related crimes. Not quite the same thing here. You can always censure or remove committee assignments here.

Now the GOP has the optics of kicking out a couple of people who happen to be a) Gen-Z and b) Black. (There was another representative who happened to be white, female and over 60 who narrowly missed expulsion by a single vote.) What happens if in, say Illinois or California, some supermajority Democrats decide that a Republican or two fractured a rule or two and decide to kick them out of their state legislature in retaliation? It's a terrible precedent and was absolutely unnecessary. Voters in Tennessee and other states will punish the GOP for stunts like this.