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I guess I would say I don't see any reason to meet with a doctor for an hour, and ask all sorts of questions about the safety of the vaccine, if your real issue is not getting the vaccine for religious reasons. Why waste everyone's time? Why ask enough questions to make the meeting last an hour? Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
I didn't get the impression he asked for the meeting. The way I read it was that the AD set it up for him to try and convince him to get the vaccine. That he was aware of and asked questions about potential side effects and issues with the vaccine doesn't mean those were his reasons for not getting the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
A couple of his reported questions seemed to revolve around some pretty out there facebook type conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Nothing up until his final desperation at avoiding getting vaccinated or getting fired indicated any religious reasons.
Do you think his reason for not getting it are really due to religious beliefs?
Not sure if you follow NBA, but do you really think Ben Simmons has "mental health issues" that make him unable to play?
Some things are just so comically obvious, that they really don warrant legitimate debate.
Of course it is. Or then just make a personal preference exemption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
You don't get to claim a medical exemption with no documentation to support it.
You shouldn't (and evidently don't) get to claim a religious exemption with nothing supporting it.
I've been pleasantly surprised that religious exemptions aren't being handed out like candy to everyone claiming one. Sure if there is truly a religious reason, ok, but you don't get to just claim that for convenience.
Sports vaccine mandates have been interesting to follow. Serious - yes because what has been discussed. However, Monday is going to be a real interesting day in NYC with mandates. Hopefully they’ll have limited disruptions in critical services.
Maybe the guy is Amish?
No, but I don't think the evidence around that meeting is particuarly probative on that point. He could be aware of all of those Facebook conspiracy theories and still be a devout Catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
I know many vaccinated devout Catholics. Have they violated their religious beliefs?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
I happen to think Ben Simmons has mental health issues, but it’s more related to extreme anxiety when he gets near the free throw line.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
What a dope. Use your time off to learn how to shoot free throws.
Or layups!Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
I never said I agreed with him, but I DO know some ultra-devout Catholics (as mentioned above, including teachers at my daughter's high school) who would answer that question in the affirmative.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
Curious, do they feel that way about all vaccines?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
That would be nice too! He doesn’t shoot many layups because he’s afraid they will see him coming and he will end up embarrassing himself at the line! Yep, he’s got issues alright, but NOT the ones he’s claiming!Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
No idea. For the record, the (Catholic) schools themselves have encouraged (but nothing close to requiring) students to get vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
But that's where the WSU guy's case gets interesting. The meeting with the doctor and his lack of public stance are just irrelevant distractions. Is he actually a devout Catholic, and did he live his life prior to the last six months in a way that suggested he was concerned about these issues prior to his refusal to take the vaccine? Those are the questions.
POPE:
“It’s a bit strange, because humanity has a history of friendship with vaccines,” Francis said, noting that children for decades have been vaccinated against measles, mumps and polio “and no one said anything.”
Got my Moderna booster this week, and both my wife and I had a stronger reaction to the booster than either of the first two jabs. I was tired, sore, and had chills for about 24 hours. My wife was the same, but also has a low grade fever. Two days later, everything was gone completely for her.
Interesting cohort study from the Lancet.
Disclaimer, have not had a chance to do a deep dive into study. Also, we do know the limitations of a cohort study. In this caseQuote:
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
Findings show good news for the individual vaccinated, but might shoot a hole for the vaccine mandates. Well guess one could make a case for the viral clearance. Would like to see similar follow up studies.Quote:
However, given that index cases were identified through routine symptomatic surveillance, there might have been a selection bias towards identifying untypically symptomatic vaccine breakthrough index cases.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext
For anyone tracking the real-world case data, this study was done by Captain Obvious. Not only are the vaxxed shedding at similar levels, but many have very minor or no symptoms and are becoming unknowing Superspreaders. You’re exactly right about this destroying the vax mandates…if they were really about public health.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
https://apnews.com/article/us-suprem...ceb470f0cc2366
Supreme Court declines to grant an injunction blocking Maine's vaccine mandate, even though it doesn't provide a religious exemption.
I will wait for our resident Supreme Court expert Strange Brew to weigh in on the matter.
Looks about right on the surface but I wish the study was larger. Good info though overall. Not saying I am for mandates but there are lots of reasons employees are implementing them. Part of the reason is that they don’t want employees to lose time because of the illness. 2 weeks off work is a lot and this data also adds to the pool that you’re less likely to be infected if you’re vaccinated. Also from the Captain Obvious playbook. I would question the notion that asymptomatic vaccinated are superspreaders. I have not seen this in real life. The delta variant has been more contagious in part (my opinion, not studied) because the symptoms are that of a cold/allergies for a couple days in most people, so people go through their day spreading illness. The previous variants caused more systemic symptoms earlier. The number of times I have heard “I thought this was a sinus infection” is very high!Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
Also in the Lancet this month is this:
The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-CoV-2: a comparative evolutionary study
I do hear a lot of people say they will not be vaccinated as they have natural immunity. There are definitely a lot of breakthrough infections especially in those of advancing age and immunocompromised. But we have been seeing a bit of an increase in reinfections the last 1-2 months as well. Immunity is a spectrum of protection, not a line.Quote:
Findings We obtained antibody optical density data for six human-infecting coronaviruses, extending from 128 days to 28 years after infection between 1984 and 2020. These data provided a means to estimate profiles of the typical antibody decline and probabilities of reinfection over time under endemic conditions. Reinfection by SARS-CoV-2 under endemic conditions would likely occur between 3 months and 5·1 years after peak antibody response, with a median of 16 months. This protection is less than half the duration revealed for the endemic coronaviruses circulating among humans (5–95% quantiles 15 months to 10 years for HCoV-OC43, 31 months to 12 years for HCoV-NL63, and 16 months to 12 years for HCoV-229E). For SARS-CoV, the 5–95% quantiles were 4 months to 6 years, whereas the 95% quantiles for MERS-CoV were inconsistent by dataset.
Interpretation The timeframe for reinfection is fundamental to numerous aspects of public health decision making. As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, reinfection is likely to become increasingly common. Maintaining public health measures that curb transmission—including among individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2—coupled with persistent efforts to accelerate vaccination worldwide is critical to the prevention of COVID-19 morbidity and mortality.
Some of us have been aware of this for a while now (and I bet Fauci was as well, but he's in it for the $$$$):
COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3
"The datasets provide strong evidence that low D3 is a predictor rather than just a side effect of the infection. Despite ongoing vaccinations, we recommend raising serum 25(OH)D levels to above 50 ng/mL to prevent or mitigate new outbreaks due to escape mutations or decreasing antibody activity."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34684596/
Dr. Fauci, wrong.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-f...pinion-1643839
Pay close attention to the mask studies.
But it’s always been about the science and never political. People on this board need to wake the hell upQuote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Where's Gavin Newsome?
Well, he just emerged from whatever, and acknowledged seasonality… because Cali is spiking again. Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
From the, you know, "super conservative" L.A. Times...this was on YouTube's main page under the Covid-19 News videos, released Nov. 8th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guoYPK0XmC8
That video would seem to support a great reason to get a booster to continue being protected.
The efficiency of the vaccine declining over time would appear to measure people getting the virus after vaccination. We know that people can carry it after vaccination (and therefore continue to spread it) but what is the impact.
The study itself notes:
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Importantly, vaccination of any type was protective against death among individuals who did become infected.
https://www.phi.org/press/breakthrou...for-mortality/Quote:
The study showed that the risk of death from COVID infection was highest in unvaccinated Veterans, regardless of age and comorbidities
So, rather than the study somehow justifying not get a vaccine because you'll get infected anyway...it seems to point to the overwhelming positive benefit of being vaccinated.
Or how about those that get Covid have naturally immunity that is stronger than a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
If you want to keep getting booster shots for the rest of your life, that's your choice.
I suppose that's a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor
But it means killing hundreds of thousands who "get Covid" and don't survive, while we try to reach herd immunity.
Seems more humane to get everyone vaccinated like smallpox, to reduce near zero the incidence of death.
I don't get it, isnt this what they have already said and why they are recommending the booster?Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor
Yeah, but that's only old, and sick, and fat, and immunocompromised people! Screw them!Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
I got the Vax and the booster. I'm sure I'll get COVID eventually, but I figure that (1) immunity is not a cliff, so even if I get it I assume that my being vaccinated will help reduce the severity, and (2) I'd rather delay getting COVID as long as possible since the therapeutics and treatments seem to be improving pretty rapidly.
Very logical approach. Agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Who knows what the long-term impacts of receiving these vaccines could be, but pursuing protection in the here and now in the face of clear consequences seems to be the better path to take.
Glad to see the mainstream media is reporting things we learned, just a year late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
That Bengladesh mask study cited was much more damning to masks than stated. It found no difference between cloth masks and unmasked, and a non-significant medical mask benefit. It took some strange (and not really justified) stratification to find a significant difference. In this case it was for masking over 50 years old and… purple masks?
Separate but related topic, mask compliance at Cintas was about 10%. Can we end this facade?
Most of us knew this about the uselessness of masks a long time ago but this exercise had little to do with science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
This thing is coming to an end. Mass vax and mass immunity (antibodies) are already here and curtailing the epidemic significantly.
The governments agenda will be to continue this for as long as the majority of American people buy into the need to "mask up" and "get your booster". Once we get fed up with the BS, they will shift to try and protect their votes and next term.
Follow the money. If you think the pharma companies are the biggest benefactors, you would be correct. But the money tail here is very, very long and malicious.
Australia this weekend:
What would BLM say? What about the AAPD ----> https://twitter.com/kanoapone/status...03730629681153
https://twitter.com/Rex_Williams/sta...94299426701312
https://twitter.com/JanHardcastle66/...90417661403137
https://twitter.com/INSIDEINDIANEW2/...04301049995271
https://twitter.com/RedpillEire/stat...14081331666950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLXGlZUxydc&t=3s
From MSN: Flu rips through University of Michigan, bringing CDC to campus to investigate spread:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fl...ead/ar-AAQLNcp
Is this immune collapse? See what this Mayo-trained doc has to say:
https://twitter.com/ToriaMart/status...75860458524677
Check out this post from Monique Morley (a Brazilian model - yowza!): https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/...volver.news%2F
Ah the doc who calls it the "rape shot" and who has been making false claims, with absolutely no evidence to back them up, for months now? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
I think its about time this thread caught a real bad case of COVID......
Ah yes, nothing like the old tried and true: demonization and censorship....Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
Nothing to see here folks, it's all good! The vaccines work perfectly fine! All those adverse reports, just ignore...conspiracies from the unwashed....